CanadaEh.. ill gladly respond
"FLYYUL, your facts or opinions (whatever you want to call them) are so one-sided that you have no credibility. Your "decision makers" or "sources" say that Montreal will continue to grow. Great, so will every other Canadian city. Toronto will grow. Vancouver will grow. Calgary will grow. Montreal will grow. Heck, even Gander will grow! So if you're going to spew the same old Montreal crap at least spew it with some realistic views."
-Let me not get into a sources debate with you. If you would kindly look at the archives, I call Austrian, Lufthansa, Air Canada to Rome way before they are even announced. Let alone random tidbits about the situation about Montreal's 2 airports.
My view is based on informative sources that I have met on the way since I start working at the airport. You can simply not deny or discredit them. I am only repeating what I have heard.
"You're also not off by saying that it is not suicide for Air Canada to operate two hubs. What is suicide is having two hubs so close together. Air Canada SHOULD only operate two hubs - Vancouver and Toronto. However, your clouded, pro-motherhood mind will not allow you to think this way. Are you forgetting that Toronto is the largest city in Canada? Its OBVIOUS that more flights will be through this city."
-Obviously yes. I never made any mention that Montreal should be larger than Toronto, neither did I ever imply that Montreal will even get close to Toronto's current extensive network. My pro-motherhood mind has taken the recent events, recent additions by Air Canada at YUL
and sources that are close to the action, to come up with the strategy that things are looking up at YUL
. Many airlines have hubs very close together (insert MUC
, insert CLT
, insert ORD
). The problem with Canada is that the population is mostly clustered around Montreal and Toronto. To choose one and ignore the other is not optimizing potential. These two markets may be all so close, but are not like one another. They have diffrent origins, different cultures almost.
"You continually claim that Toronto is overserved, that Montreal will never be as big as Toronto, that flights will be shifted from Toronto to Montreal, blah blah blah. Your arguements and views always come back to the same thing - Montreal is the center of the universe and Toronto has reached its peak. "
-Give me a break. At least do some in-depth analysis before you criticize my point of view. I have broken down the Toronto hub by continent, and by operational bank. If you keep in mind that it has failed on many routes that are 3 or 4 daily from competiting major US hubs, they are but limited destinations to serve. If you dont agree, then say why you disagree. Come up with possible strategies and scenarios.
"Through your posts oozing your pro-Air Canada, pro-motherhood, pro-Montreal opinions, rants, and views, I've concluded this: Because Air Canada suffered so badly by a drop in demand in Toronto, you feel that some flights should be shifted from Toronto to Montreal so that there are less flights operating out of Toronto and more out of Montreal - another hub. You feel that there were/are too many flights operating out of Toronto, and had those flights been operating out of Montreal, Air Canada would not have suffered as dearly as they did. "
-Not at all. Firstly, my views arents rants, they are becoming fact. To a certain extent I feel like Air Canada has focused itself too much on Toronto, at the expense of possibilities in other markets. Some routes in YYZ
should also be operating in YUL
. I personally think that the size of YYZ
's hub is not properly proportional to YUL
. I do not think there should be 15 YYZ
flights a day, and only 3 out of YUL
, when the market is only twice as big. Catch what Im saying.
" call the bullsh*t card on this one! The drop in demand of passengers travelling to Toronto, TO
TORONTO, was because these people were travelling to TORONTO, not Montreal. If one person wanted to end up in Toronto, they still wouldn't travel whether or not the flight was direct to YYZ
or routed through YUL
connecting onto a flight to YYZ
. Do you see what I'm getting at? Why offer a flight from YUL
when the demand is far greater in YYZ
-The problem is that for AC
its not about YYZ
. Its about what it can offer via YYZ
. Air Canada has concluded that only several routes out of YUL
and even YYZ
for that matter cannot rely solely on origin and destination pax. Therefore it needs connecting feed. People avoided Toronto for fear of SARS, and consequently also avoided Montreal to a lesser extent.
Now the problem is that TNEW is not as efficient as AC
would have liked it. Its a monstrosity with the same connecting times as the previous T1/T2
deal. Furthermore, its something like almost 40% cheaper for them to send transit pax through YUL
. On top of that, its a 30 minute flat connection time from domestic to international and vice versa. Once again, im only repeating what I was told about 4 months ago.
"Most of the people in this forum know that you are pro-motherhood and pro-Montreal, and thats fine. I'm just so sick of hearing the same excuses over and over again. Your "ideas" or "facts" (based on your insider info) is completely irrelevant because of your bias towards Air Canada and everything that is Montreal."
-Thank you for the kind complement. My purpose on this board is not to spread Montreal propaganda. I have made several friends from YYZ
, from YYC
, from YVR
onthis board, and have made in person. I go to YYZ
and marvel at the kind of traffic they receive. I continually fly there to hang out with people there. However, it wont stop me from expressing my view. I know most of the members are here from Toronto, so they might not be ecstatic about some of the news. But im not trying to trash them or disrespect them. Im calling a spade a spade essentially.
"Toronto will continue to be the main hub for Air Canada. Montreal will grow, as will every other Canadian city. Get off the motherhood train and come back down to reality, my friend, cause sooner or later that motherhood train is going to come to a grinding halt. I'd love to see you in charge of Air Canada, you'd do just about as good of a job as Robert Milton is doing running it now."
CanadaEH.. i love how you continually take me out of context. I know and acknowledge that Toronto will always be AC
's main hub. I have no problems with that, its very the Canadian market is primarily. But I have always believed since I became a member, that Montreal in itself had a lot of potential to be a major part in the AC
operation. I have been told since 2000 that I am crazy, that I am full of it, that im just a teenager kid that pretends like I know a lot... thats fine.
Those who know me better, (perhaps some of the people of my respected list) will acknowledge that I know what I am talking about... whether or not you agree with me...