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TWA Planes In American's Network

Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:42 am

Since STL is being converted into mainly a hub for people who live there and many of the flights will now be operated by American Connection. TWA's former planes are now going to be filter out through American's system I assume. (Some of them already are I think) Anyone know what routes American plans to run them on? And if they have plans to convert the TWA interiors to American interiors.

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RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:52 am

Ex-TWA 752s have special flight numbers 2800 - 2999.
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RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:53 am

They have already converted what they are going to keep for the most part. I know they have gotten rid of the 767s, 717s, and most of the older MD80s. They are still flying some 757s out of STL. I know they have different powerplants than the AA ones (P&W vs RR?). I had heard that AA was looking into just replacing the powerplants on them but I really can't see how that's cost effective considering that many other parts of the aircraft (FADEC, Mounts, etc) may have to be converted. Because of variations of aircraft between different companies it really wouldn't surprise me to see the TWA aircraft gone from AA's fleet in the near future.  Sad
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RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:59 am

AA is training crews to fly both engine types.
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RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:13 am

They kept most of their MD80s and 757s. They won't be replacing the 757's interior as it is much more comftorable than the AA 757 interior. They have been replacing the MD80 with the standard AA SP80 interior.
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RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:02 pm

Its more complicated than just interiors to convert TWA MD-80's up to AA MD-80's, it involves upgrades and changes to the avionics systems. 25 +/- TWA MD-80's have been put into storage in the desert. The remaining fleet will be converted to AA standards. As for the TWA 757's, they will be returned to their leasing companies as the leases expire. The first of leases are up in 2004, will all being gone by 2007-2009.
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RE: As Time Goes By: Many 767s Bound For Scrapping

Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:27 pm

PSU--Most of TWA's MD80's are newer than AA's. In fact, about 30% of TWA's -80's were the last produced. Allegedly, many of AA's spare parts will not work on the TWA airplanes because they are "dumb". TWA's last group incorporated newer technology into many of their components.

Several of the ex-TWA airplanes in the desert have had their engines removed because an AD had already been complied with. The engines were put on S80's while the AA engines were modified. It is rumored that these airplanes may be coming back into service. AA gave away its 737 slots for a couple of years after 9/11 so we can't get any new airplanes to add capacity.

As for the 757's, 11 are still flying on the TWA LLC certificate. These will go out of service by the end of November. These, I believe, were leased through ILFC and are able to be returned early. The others(17) are through Boeing and must stay through the end of the lease term. Most of those aircraft have been modified to AA standard and are off the TWA certificate.TC
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RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:30 pm

I rode on at least two MD80s with an NxxxTW reg this past weekend.

didn't jot them down.

Saw a number of PW powered 757s at DFW.

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RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:39 am

You can tell when you board a S80 that was a TWA bird. The interiors are in the AA colors, however, the bulkheads are a "SOFT" bulkhead between coach and F/C, almost like a curtain. The seats in M/C do not have the bendable headrests and the overheads have not been expanded..

RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:19 pm

that "operated by TWA" sticker down and to the right from the door as well as the apperance of someone taking a paint grinder to the fuselage is also a good clue.. not to mention the tail number ending in TW
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RE: TWA Planes In American's Network

Sat Oct 18, 2003 9:46 am

I flew ex-TWA 757s from MCO-STL and back last January and the safety cards were still from TWA, to go along with the American safety video! That would be the only clue to the average traveler. The 757 on the STL-MCO flight had the "operated by TWA" sticker on it.
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