DFWCapt
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"Chemtrails?"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:59 pm

Tell me, are there any of you who really believe that those white plumes you often see behind jetliners are not trails of ice and water vapor, but are in fact clouds of experimental chemicals being tested secretly by the U.S. government? I'm just becoming aware of how many people cling to this paranoid fantasy...amazing!

Anyone?
 
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c172akula
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:03 pm

Just try a search in the Tech/Ops forum about this. I started a thread there months ago and quite a few people weighed in with their opinions.
 
Iberia340600
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:19 pm

I think I have something even better. I am in the path of one of the landing routes for LaGuardia airport. So a few years back(when LGA wanted to grant more flight slots) this lady sent out flyers everywhere stating all the negative effects of granting more slots....noise pollution...etc. AND....on top of it she went on to say how the airplanes are dumping fuel on us. Yes...she said "you know those white trails that you see sometimes?? That is actually fuel being dumped from the aircraft on top of our houses and lawns". I had to stop and laugh and then write a nasty response to her to get her facts straight before she makes a complete idiot of herself. It was kind of amusing afterwards but in the beginning I was quite upset at how ignorant some people are.
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DFWCapt
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:48 pm

I had a guy tell me recently that the trail we were looking at COULDN'T be composed of ice crystals because "it's ninety degrees out here! How can you have ice crystals hanging in the sky when it's this hot?"

Geez! Are people REALLY that ignorant?
 
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:36 pm

Some people will never understand the wonders of our craft. Some just think they know. My mom used to think that they were dumping fuel like the misguided lady from New York. Once I started studying aviation and learned the real cause I had to explain it to her like 5 times (Think Squeegee)  Smile
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DTWINTLFLYER
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:10 pm

are you kidding me? What's next , stories about black helicopters. Let's keep this forum for real aviation enthusiasts, not conspiracy theroists.
 
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:28 pm

I've actually known a couple of people who believed the earth was flat and the Apollo moon landings were done on a soundstage in Hollywood, and I've known reasonably intelligent people who swore that horoscopes were accurate.

I've said it many times and I guess I'll say it many more times: Stupidity knows no bounds.

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DFWCapt
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:39 pm

Dtwintlflyer wrote: Let's keep this forum for real aviation enthusiasts, not conspiracy theroists.

Well, if you could read my initial post, you'd see that I'm criticizing the conspiracy theorists. In fact, I haven't seen a "chemmie" on this thread yet.

So what are you blathering about?
 
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:34 am

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com may tickle your fancy and give you a few laughs. I used to post on there sometimes to mess with the chem-kids....got really amuzing. I must be a government operative trying to decieve them from seeing the real truth!
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DTWINTLFLYER
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:46 am

Sorry about that.....read it too quick and I was at work.
 
Dazed767
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:12 am

The only planes I have ever seen leaving long lasting trails that eventually whiten out the sky are silver/white/grey/black unmarked planes, flying over Southport well below airliners with clearly marked tails, these airliners never leave trails lasting more than 1 minute.

A little paragraph rom the website XFSUgimpLB41X posted. I can't imagine a white or silver plane flying in the sky  Wow! . Unmarked....hmm because they are looking at the bottom of the plane?!
 
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:27 am

Here's some "proof" of the source of chemtrails:

Location: East Atlanta (Decatur), GA United States of America
Date: 06/29/2000
Note: This all-black unmarked military helicopter flew overhead at 120' seconds after I shot the "Red Streaks" photo. I clearly saw 4 "barrels" mounted below the cockpit, all of which faced the rear of the craft - see inset detail. It approached North, turned East along MARTA tracks (roughly Moreland Ave.) at appx. 40 mph. [Chopper looks "smaller" and "further away" due to wide angle lens - I was close enough to see crew members as they approached.]

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DFWCapt
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:36 am

Hmm. A dark green helicopter with an anticollision beacon.

That's certainly compelling evidence of a conspriacy!
 
Kempa
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:02 am

Well, there is some truth about these so-called chemtrails. They are real, they are chemical, and they come from airplanes, but I seriously doubt they are intentional. According to some sources, they are almost entirely made of DHMO (Dihydrogen Monoxide), a chemical compound that can cause severe health and environmental problems. For more information on DHMO, see http://www.dhmo.org.
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jwenting
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:14 am

and the rest consists of a large variety of hydrocarbons...

this is of course fuel residue
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contrails
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:08 am

Srbmod, I can't tell for sure but I think that's an Apache helicopter. Those barrells are not pointed to the rear, that's the way they are supposed to be.

Those of us in the Washington, DC, area are accustomed to seeing this type of helicopter flying about. It's a part of post 9/11 life. I doubt that yours was doing anything malevolent.
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2912n
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:27 am

It is a UH-60 "Blackhawk" with the stub wings fitted. These wings can carry additional fuel tanks, rocket pods or Hellfire missiles.

(Of course they can be modified for spraying of certain chemical compounds to mollify the public. Imagine aerial spraying of Haldol, what a happy place we would live in....  Smile )
 
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:04 am

On the chemtrails site mentioned above, there's a post from a guy (supposedly an ex-pilot) who, now retired, feels free to "spill the beans"

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(His words, not mine)

It all starts with the flight plan. In addition to the aircraft weights, weather, route of flight, etc. are a couple of symbols. The first is an asterisk "*" and the second is a double asterisk "**". Tough stuff, eh?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Anyway, the asterisks will be found in the route of flight for the aircraft. For example, let's take a hypothetical flight from Los Angeles (LAX) to Denver (DEN). The flight plan will show a route of flight like this: LAX DAG* LAS BCE HBU** DEN. This is overly simplified, but it basically means the flight will fly from Los Angeles to Dagget to Las Vegas to Bryce Canyon to Blue Mesa then to Denver. Notice the asterisks? They mean chem-spraying is to begin over Dagget and end over Blue Mesa! Cool, huh?
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(Back to me...)
As someone who cranks out 60-70 flight plans (and releases) a shift, I can tell you that this so-called pilot is anything but.

Take a look at the ATC filing from a flight now in the air LAX-DEN:

LAX./.DAG360013..CLARR..HBU.POWDR5.DEN

The presence of dots (or asterisks) in an ATC flight plan filing DOES NOT indicate where purported chemtrail spraying is to be started/stopped. The fact that there are sometimes only one dot, and sometimes two is ATC computer syntax, and nothing more. One dot between dissimilar types of navaids or other items, and two dots between similar types, or "direct".

If this guy was -really- a pilot, he'd have know that...

It amaze me how these nuts actually believe this conspiracy stuff....
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sovietjet
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:04 pm

Ok...I understand these "chemmies" believe chemicals are sprayed. According to them..why are these chemicals sprayed in the first place? What is the reason? How can you test chemicals when you spray them?
 
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:49 pm

Were are these chemicals stored???And how are they being sprayed. When looking at trails it is clear that they are comming from the engines. Now if a plane is spraying something when it is at an altitude of 10,000 m these chemicals will not fall on the people that can see them. It is more likely for Eskimos in the High Arctic to feel the effects of these chemicals first. This mean that the presidents ranch in Texas is also being poluted. I don't think he would let that happen.  Smile
Some people are so paranoid.

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Beefmoney
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:58 pm

If you look at that website (Chemtrailcentral.com), you might see references to a guy with the name PHXPilot. That would be me. I spent about 5 months on there, and became one of the most hated people in their little world. I got so many death threats it was incredible.

They got so angry when I would point out flaws in their little aviation related theories. In fact, you see that members only forum? That was because they got so irritated of me, and wanted to keep me out.

Its incredible that I racked up so many posts on there (over 800) in such a short period of time.
 
jwenting
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RE: "Chemtrails?"

Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:06 pm

The chemicals are for mindcontrol, what else?
As you well know the CIA rules the world as part of the Jewish conspiracy and have many ways to control the minds of people through drugs and other means.
Chemtrails are one way, radiation from TV sets and mobile phones is another.

That's of course the thinking of the American conspiracy theorists, in reality it's the DGSE and not the CIA and the conspiracy is French not Jewish  Laugh out loud
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