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Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:19 am

I have never flown on Virgin but I have a question on their windows on the 744's. If you look toward the rear windows above the registration you can see that two are blanked out. Why? What is the configuration inside that calls for these two windows to be blanked? Also there is one strange blanked out window between doors 1 and 2. I have seen the same arrangement on a SAA aircraft, has this aircraft also flown for SAA?


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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:23 am

Not sure, but couldn't it be a bathroom??
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:24 am

I was unlucky enough to get one of these blanked out windows when i flew from Los Angeles on July 31st. I don't have a clue what they're for

-Stephen
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:31 am

If not for bathrooms, they are for electrical wiring or air ducts.
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 4:38 am

I wouldn't say they are for air ducts or wiring, the air ducts are run between doors 2 & 3. I think that maybe they are bathrooms, but why not be put at the very back like other airlines? Hmmm?
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 4:44 am

They are NOT bathrooms. Like i said before, i sat at one of those seats and had no window.

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:01 am

It's where they put the ugliest passengers to protect the ground crew of Virgin Atlantic Airlines - 49% owned by Singapore Airlines Limited.



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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:09 am





LOL....good one Smile
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 6:02 am

I didn't notice this until i opened this thread, the only reason i can think of blanking these windows out is to accomodate X number of rows of seats on this plane. It can't be for routing air conditioning ducts as the AC wiring and ducting is routed further up the fuselage on a 744.
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 6:04 am

Here you can find the seatmap for Virgin Atlantic: http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/our_story_our_fleet.view.do
As you can see, there are just seats next to those blanked out windows
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:00 am

Milemaster

Love the pic!!! LMAO!!!

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:19 am

Could it have to do with the way the plane begins to curve near the back? Stephen, did you have a little space between the seat and wall or no?
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:24 am

"Could it have to do with the way the plane begins to curve near the back? Stephen, did you have a little space between the seat and wall or no?"

No I don't think so, because every other B744 operator that I know of does not have these windows deleted, (except maybe SAA). Very puzzling!
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:55 am

SQ have quite a number of windows deleted at difference sections of their B744s. One was behind Door 3L in Seat 39A on 9V-SMT, which was a terrible flight because the no window next to me and wasn't easy to stare out of the window through the emergency door. Last time I flew 9V-SPF in 39K (N.B Their 744s have slightly different configurations) and one window was missing.

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:53 am

Malaysia Airlines also features the same window deletion.

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:33 am

I sat in 32K, the middle bit where i kinda goes no window, window, NO WINDOW, window, no window. Very annoying!

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:20 am

The 747 in this picture is of G-VGAL - one of the five Gatwick based 747-400's, and from the original cancelled Alitalia order (others being G-VROM, G-VROY, G-VROS and G-VLIP).

Could it be that these blanked windows stem from the original Alitalia spec?

The LHR based VS 747's don't have this blanked windows:

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:29 am

Not sure how or why this happened on G-VGAL. In row 32, a/c ducts are to blame (sorry if you've sat there!).

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:35 pm

What are the exact seats that have the blanked out windows? I'll be flying to LHR with VS and don't want to sit there.
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:34 pm

Richard28,

I was in G-VWOW and i'm pretty sure it had it. It's not just G-VGAL it's every aircraft in the fleet and most likely every aircraft in the world. Just look at a British Airways B777. Nearly half the business class windows are gone.

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:13 pm

Maybe you should post this thread in the technical/operations forum. The technicians would probably know why airlines blank out windows on their aircraft.

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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:27 pm

I'm no 747 expert, but wouldn't it have something to do the the F/A crew rest above?
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:38 pm

All airliners, not only 747s have differing window patterns with 1 or more windows plugged mostly depending on the seat-, toilet- or galley-configuration.
But that in the case of Virgins 744s an a/c duct distracts the view (only on the right side) is pretty odd and has nothing to do with the 747 as an aircraft type itself.
Most Jumbos don´t have a plug there and a more practical solution is factory standard. The only real "missing windows" you´ll find on all 747s (SP is a bit different though) are the ones in front of door no.3 on top of the wingbox because of stability reasons.
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:25 pm

I can confirm that ever 744 I have flown on with VS has this. thats G-VROM, G-VLIP, G-VROS, G-VHOT, Ruby Tuesday and Lady Penelope.

I asked this question a while ago about the A340-600 having the same thing in row 19. I got the seat once, and was very disapointed!! There is just a blanked panel next to the seat. The conclusion that someone came up with was that this was a fusilage joint.

Another theory was that it was there in case an engine blade snapped off...and the third response was the air con duct.

I havent heard a confirmed answer yet...other than I know for a fact its not a galley, toilet or rest area access...
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:34 pm

Those windows are blanked out for air-conditioning ducts that run up to the Dr 5 Overhead Crew Rest. If the customer uses this option. They will only appear on the R/H side of the fuselage.
 
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:18 pm

Thanks N2position that makes sense!
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RE: Virgin Strange 744 Windows?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:48 pm

What about drag related issues?

There has been talks about next generation of jets with no windows, maybe this is one strange way to decrease drag?
Or simply Virgin picked the cheapest solution???

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