ryder10uk
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Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:07 am

Hello people

I am new to this board but have been reading topics for a long this.

A question to Rick or anyone in the know, i seem to remember Britannia doing some flights to FLL using 767 200`s and 300`s both ER. (are they continuing)

Can you explain why the 200 always go via Bangor when they have a superior range to the 300`s ?? i have always wondered.

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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:22 am

Probably because BY carry the weight & baggage of 271 or 290 pax on their -200ERs (depending on the configuration).....a lot of holiday makers in not a very large aircraft....
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:47 am

Customs?
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ryder10uk
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:05 am

nah it has nothingto do with customs as its all set up at FLL probably something to do with edina`s answer altough im unconvinced is i have flown by 200` ER fully loaded nonsop to mco from CWL so im still unsure!
 
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:23 am

The 200's even though ER are restricted by payload. To operate direct to FLL they would more than likely need a to lose a bit of weight


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ryder10uk
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:39 am

I still dont agree BY pack in the payload for both 200 and 300 so if so the 300 wouldnt make it either???

your thoughts?
 
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:00 am

Britannia do loads of cruise charters for various companies, and have a very good commercial relationship with P&O and Fred Olsen in particular.

Could the tech stop also be caused by the fact that many exclusive cruise charters operate an enhanced service from that offered by the regular holiday charters, including increased baggage allowance for those on board. For example, a fully loaded 767-200 with, say 290 pax on board, each taking 25 kgs of baggage adds an additional 1450kgs of weight. Also, who sticks to their baggage allowance?!

Just had a look for this winter and cant see any FLL flights with Britannia. Some unusual ones coming up, though, including EXT-JFK on 23rd Nov (763), EMA-BGR-MSY 3rd May 04 (762), also with 763's from LGW and MAN and LGW-STT 6th Dec (763).
 
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:30 am

Can you imagine what it is like to be sat on a 767-200 in charter configuration for the journey to FLL with a stop - its cattle class. BY aslo flew charter service to Australia in the same seats



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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:37 am

It still doesnt make sense, BY would pack over 300 pax with the 300ER with increased payload so that would dramatically reduce the range of the 300ER to hence would also have to make a tech stop at BGR.
Rick your comments would be welcome.
 
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:15 am

BY also flew charter service to Australia in the same seats
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Britannia's Australia/New Zealand flights were operated with B767-200s which had been reconfigured with 258 seats instead of the normal (at the time) 274/282 seats.

Britannia's B767-200s, which now normally only operate shorthaul flights, are configured with the legal maximum of 290 seats at 28" pitch.

Now Britannia's B767-300 aircarft operate their longhaul flights, but from the late 1980s until the late 1990s, the B767-200 operated the bulk of their longhual programme.

When Britannia operated their B767-200 aircraft nonstop to Orlando from the UK, they were configured for 274 seats, and from 1993 onwards were reconfigured for 282 seats. I would think now that the aircraft have 290 seats, Britannia can no longer guarantee nonstop UK-Florida operations on the B767-200 to their customers, although I'm sure that they operate nonstop whenever payloads/weather conditions permit...

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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:44 am

Intersetingly enough the 767-200 is the only type in Britannia's fleet that hasnt been repainted in the new livery. I wonder if they plan too? or maybe they are getting rid of them?
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:19 am

wow 2-4-2...thats gotta be pretty tight...whats the pitch?? Looks like 30" or so Im guessing???

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ryder10uk
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:50 am

28" i believe certainly on the 200 series, I think BY will keep the 200 for a while longer at least until they find a replacement i reckon they will wait for 7e7 makes sense
 
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:37 am

BY 767-200 have 290 seats in the summer only. They do not operate longhaul routes in the summer.

If they operate longhaul, they are configured to 274, that's a seat pitch of 30", that's the same as all major charters in the UK and many sched airlines.

Australia routes have never been operated by a 767-200 with 290 seats.

A fully laden 767-200, even a cruise flight to FLL can make it if flying from LGW or MAN. If flying from an airfield with a shorter runway ( a lot of cruise flights operate from smaller airports) the 767 can not be fully fuelled, therefore resulting in a tech stop.

I also think the 200 will be around for a while yet as they are well maintained and fully paid for. New interiors will be fitted this winter.
 
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RE: Britannia 767`s

Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:53 am

Crosswind,

I can confirm that Britannia flights to Australia were operated by the 763 because I have done it a couple of times. Never have I seen the 762 in Australia and was there a lot in 1994/5.

Where did you get your information from???

BTW it was a bit of a cramp but didnt mind and i am 6'3

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RE: Britannia 767`s

Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:57 am

All the 762 flights to the USA are scheduled to make a tech stop in BGR outbound as they don't have the range for FLL, etc.. with full loads and the Winter jetstreams (which are further south and stronger than in the Summer). On certain days however, they can make it non-stop.

All return flights are planned direct.

The 763s sometimes have a tech stop scheduled at SNN/BGR outbound if operating from shorter runways like EXT or BOH, but indeed that too is often not needed and certainly never on the return in the -300.

Those Winter jetstreams are painful westbound but great for coming home.  Big grin
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