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Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:01 am

Hi folks...
Just wondering if Boeing's new 7E7 is going to follow tradition and be known as the 787 eventually? I've always thought that the 'E' stood for 'eight'. While I know the program has not officially been launched, it's almost a sure bet the aircraft is coming. Your opinions on this theory welcomed. Regards.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:05 am

I heard a rumour it was going to be called Boeing 818
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:07 am

I think there will definitely be an "8" in the model number. 8 is considered lucky in China and is a big part of the reason why the A3XX became the A380 and not the A350.
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:16 am

I think that is a quess, i think Boeing will end up with that name (787).

i dont believe it would be called that for the people of China but hopefully that will help in the purchassing side of the plane.

I was currious why Airbus called it the A380 and not the 350. Is that really the reason why?
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:34 am

I think that the 818 would be a possibility; the 7E7 program may eventually lead a totally new generation or line of Boeing aircraft if successful, hence a new set of model numbers may be appropriate. Of course it is just my guessing!
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:38 am

What about "Dreamliner".

Maybe they're alluding to the fact that the 7E7 will fade away just like the Sonic Cruiser--it's just a dream.
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:10 am

A330_DTW.. we don't need that negativity. And I can tell you, as a Boeing employee, I am 99.9% sure that the 7E7 will not only launch, but be very successful.

For me, I worked in Information Systems, specifically working with the Finance department. And without going into any specifics, I can tell you that Boeing allocated a substantial amount of their IS budget next year for 7E7 projects.

I agree, Dreamliner is a stupid name; but try to keep things positive, ok?  Smile
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:47 am


The 7E7 will be built, they are already working on training programs for both pilots & tech training.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:51 am

I'm pretty sure that when it's launched it will be the 787. If they had been thinking of calling it the 818 or 808, they would have called it the 8E8 before launch and not 7E7.

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:04 am

I agree that It will become the 818 or something like 858 because its a new type of aircraft!
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:08 am

I agree with The777Man. It wouldn't make sense for Boeing to call a project 7E7 and launch a totally different one like the 8E8. I wouldn't expect them to go into the 8E8 series after and if they produce the 797. It disagrees with Boeing tradition of naming their passenger aircraft in the order they were introduced, with the exception of the Boeing 720 and the 717. The rest makes sense if you exclude these two (707/727/737/747/757/767/777). Overall point--Most often Boeing increase the middle number by 1 when a new model is produced. My bets are the 7E7 will become the 787.

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:34 am

It's Boeing tradition to in one way or another, to have the number 7 within the model number. B-29, 7#7, etc. The 818 would fit here.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:49 am

It better be known as the 787. I don't call it the 7E7, why put a letter in it? Don't get me started on the name "Dreamliner".

818? I'd prefer if they stuck with the 7s. 787, 797, then change to 8.
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:49 am

I was sort of thinking that if the 7E7 is built, that it would be the 787. A 7?7 is easily recognizable as a Boeing. Boeing has used these different variations in 7's ie 7E7 in the past to describe future or concept planes. I have two different books from the 80's that talk about the 7-7 and the 7J7. The 7-7 may have become the second generation 737, not really sure. The 7J7 was similar to a 717 with a T-tail and 2 rear engines. The engines were jets with some sort of external blades on the rear of the engines. It was to compete with the MD-80 series I believe. I too hope it is the 787.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:03 am

I went on the Boeing tour about 2 weeks ago and the guide said that it would be the 787.
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:21 am

Thrust,

Actualy there have been two 717's. The Boeing house code for the C-135 program was 717. The second as most people is what was the MD-95.
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:26 am

i believe the reason the A380 was named that was because the 8 represented the two decks of the aircraft, one on top of the other.
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:47 am

Why 787? When they came up with the second generation 737, they didn`t change the family name either. Since the 7E7 is basically another long-range twin, it makes sense to call the 7E7 a 777-800 or whatever.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:55 am

The 7J7 was similar to a 717 with a T-tail and 2 rear engines. The engines were jets with some sort of external blades on the rear of the engines. It was to compete with the MD-80 series I believe.

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:32 pm

What are those weird things? I've never seen anything like them before. Do you have any idea?

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:46 pm

I actually meant to say that in addition I the reason I hypothesized Boeing would name the 7E7 the 787 was because I heard that the 7E7's fuselage was to, in no way, shape or form, bear any resemblance to any previous Boeing aircraft, not even the 777. However, Birdwatching is correct in my perspective when we refer to simply "stretching an aircraft." But then again, I see his point. And thank you, Sinlock for your comment as well. I had no idea that Boeing produced two 717 models! Very interesting. Very......

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:56 pm

Yah the picture of the 7J7 looked similar to that, but it was a Boeing concept in the 1980's before the Boeing/McDonnell Douglas merger. It would have been a competitor to this airplane. I beleive that it might have had a wider fuselage, similar to the 737. According to this book, Boeing wanted to use it as a replacement for 727's in the 150 seat market.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:09 pm

EI A330-200 - here's a link to unducted fan history - another 80's dead-end innovation!

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:30 pm

Ok guys, I have a different theory than most of you. A couple of you have mentioned that it could end up being the start of an 8 series or something like that, but no one mentioned the reasons that I have for thinking that is the case.

Remember the 707? The prototype was ORIGINALLY named the 367-80. It was named after a series of airliners that Boeing already produced until Boeing was ready to unveil the real name for the next generation family of airliners. The 367s were not even jets! I think with the next leap in technology that Boeing is going for here, they will probably create a new series or family of airliner.

It is just my theory, but it would be in line with Boeing history to call it the 7E7 until it is ready to reveal the next generation to the world.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:39 am

Hey everybody  Smile

I thought it was going to be called the 7E7 "Dreamliner" permanently. If the artist renderings and everything I've read & heard about it are accurate, then "Dreamliner" is the perfect name for it. Okay you guys I realize I sound silly...I'm just excited about this new Boeing!

As far as the "8" in the A380 - I read that Airbus decided to call it this because the "8" represents the double decks. I wonder if that's true or not. Anybody else hear this too?

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:59 am

N79969: 8 is considered lucky in China and is a big part of the reason why the A3XX became the A380 and not the A350.

That's right. I will ad also that the main market for the A380 is asia.

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:30 am

Why 787? When they came up with the second generation 737, they didn`t change the family name either. Since the 7E7 is basically another long-range twin, it makes sense to call the 7E7 a 777-800 or whatever.

ummm.....without a doubt, the 7E7 WILL NOT be named the 777-800. The 7E7 is being designed as a completely different family of aircraft. Both aircraft have different cross-sections, serve different niche markets, and technologies.

The 737NG's aren't radically different from the old 737's. They have almost identical cross-sections, basic wing designs, passenger capacities etc. If you see a 737-800, it's kind of tough to distinguish from a 737-400. A 777 will be able to be easily distinguished from a 7E7.

On a side note, I would be surprised if the 7E7 is named something other than the 787. Personally I think starting with a new series like the 818 wouldn't make too much sense. The 7E7 will be inovative in many ways, but not be extremely different from the rest of the 7#7 series that it would merit starting a new series. I could see the Sonic Cruiser being so different that it would be appropriate but not the 7E7.

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:05 pm

I heard that Boeing was going to switch to an alpha-numeric model-referencing system, and that the E in 7E7 was selected as the model was replacing the 757 and E is the fifth letter in the alphabet. I however doubt the validity of this claim, as the 757 and 767 were themselves originally the 7N7 and 7X7, if memory serves, and of course, there was also the 7J7. BTW, the 7J7 from what I understood was to have been built with a Japanese company and would have used the nose of the 757. It could have become a viable alternative/replacement for the 737...

The propellor-like design at the back of the engine was a popular concept in the late 1980s. I believe that the MD-95 was originally going to feature that technology. I am clueless as to why it has not grasped on, especially with all of the aft-engine regional jets now being produced.

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:34 pm

Overall point--Most often Boeing increase the middle number by 1 when a new model is produced. My bets are the 7E7 will become the 787.


Maybe....but what happens after the 797...?


Since this plane should really represent something totally new, I think Boeing will introduce a new denomination (and thus btw avoid the "post 797" question altogether...) It wouldn't make sense to introduce a totally new generation of airplanes with only 2 "names" left...
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:36 pm

As far as the "8" in the A380 - I read that Airbus decided to call it this because the "8" represents the double decks. I wonder if that's true or not. Anybody else hear this too?

I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere on the Airbus website a few weeks ago Big thumbs up

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:00 am

Maybe they should use 600 numbers...

Like, the Boeing 616, replacement of the 717 in about 20 years...

The Boeing 626, replacement of Mazda 626s except it flies...

The Boeing 636, replacement of 737s...

The Boeing 646, carries 646 passengers to the moon and back...

The Boeing 656, replacement of the 757...

And finally, the Boeing 666, which was a total failure because a lot of southerners wouldn't even step foot on the plane, and they even called it the "devil's plane" and requested that it should be either burned at the stake (or on the ramp) or submerged in holy water to be baptised and deemed sanitary.

Wow, what a debate for three small numbers.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:48 am

Since this plane should really represent something totally new, I think Boeing will introduce a new denomination (and thus btw avoid the "post 797" question altogether...) It wouldn't make sense to introduce a totally new generation of airplanes with only 2 "names" left...

Again, I disagree about this applying to the 7E7. The 7E7 has a lot of technological breakthroughs, but it won't revolutionize commercial aviation the way the 707 did when the 7#7 series started.

The Sonic Cruiser or a possible supersonic aircraft that Boeing may make in the near future would merit a new series of aircraft because that would truly be revolutionary.

So that's why the 7E7 will be the 787.

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:23 am

"I've always thought that the 'E' stood for 'eight'"....I think i read somewhere some time ago that the 'E' stood for Efficient, due to its innovative technologies...Cheers  Smile
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:39 am

Bobs89irocz said:I was currious why Airbus called it the A380 and not the 350. Is that really the reason why?

When I was reading once, about the A380, I read that one of the reasons tehy called the Big Lady 380 is bocause of the 8 shape the plane have if looked from front to back. It may be also the lucky number thing. But I never read anything about it.

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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:49 am

If Boeing did something revolutionary like a commercial Blended Wing Body they probably would use a 808, 818, etc. series. The 7E7 baseline design is so very similar to a modified hybridization of a 777 and 764 that it make sense to call it a 787.
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:14 am

Good call, Corsair2. Although the 7E7 will pioneer some new technologies, I think that they will basically be improvements on existing concepts. From what info we've been given thus far, its most radical aspect will be the composite body. In all other aspects of design and operation, the 7E7 simply seems to be a very advanced version of all the other mid-sized airliners out there. Certainly nothing to skip the 787 designation over. So yeah, I agree with Corsair2: when they make a blended-wing design, or maybe even a new Sonic Cruiser or an orbital airliner then maybe we can talk about the leap to an "8" designation.
 
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RE: Will The New 7E7 Be Known As 787?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:31 pm

Boeing's SST design that never materialized was the 2707. The Dreamliner name is reference to their heratage. Stratoliner, Stratocruiser, etc.

I have a feeling that when the revolution hits, they'll come out with a new numeric designation to clearly define the 'next generation'
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