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Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:29 am

I think it was Delta because I have a keychain from the 80's saying
"blah blah blah on the 767 project blah blah blah"
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:30 am

United Airlines launched it with a big order for 30 Boeing 767-200s.
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:32 am

Nope. Delta launched the 764ER (even though CO beat them into service with it)
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:34 am

Yep, it was United. Eventually UA ended up with only 19 762s, the other 11 were converted into orders for the 763. American was the 2nd carrier to order...they took all 30 762s they wanted. Regards.
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:21 am

delta was early in the process. They got there 767 in the very early 80's.
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:30 am

The "Project 767" you are referring to is the initiative where the DL employees bought a 767 for the company. Known as the "Spirit of Delta".

http://www.l1011.homestead.com/SpirtofDL.html
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:15 am

and Britannia Launched the 767 in europe!
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:49 am

As with the 777-200, United Airlines officially launched the 767-200 in August 1982. My first flight on it was November '82, ORD-SFO. Still remember the flight to this day! Clean, quiet, smooth...amazing.

I think DL and AA were two of the first few airlines to also buy the plane.

The 762 that UA lost on 9/11 was built in '83 if I'm not mistaken.

Don't know about the 763 or 764.
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:27 am

It was United. Even though I am a Delta junkie, I know United and Boeing did a joint effort on this deal. Delta did however acquire the 767-400 demonstrator from Boeing.
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:47 am

I was under the impression that Air Canada launched the 767... Or that could have been ETOPS. anyone care to help me?
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:24 am

United launched the 767 with an order for 30, plus options for 37, on July 14th, 1978. Then 15th November, AA and DL ordered a total of 92 between them, and United converted some more options.
July 1979, and Air Canada placed their order, followed by All Nippon.
TWA ordered theirs December 79, with Ansett following suit in March 1980. Britannia placed the first European order late March 1980.
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:33 am

TransBrasil introduced the 767 in South/Latin America in June 1983, actually it was by then the second operational 767 below the equator line (first one was an Air New Zealand bird).

The first one to be delivered to TR, PT-TAA was shown on the Le Bourget show and then flown to Seattle for the official hand over.

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:38 am

Has the interior of Delta's orginal 762 been updated?
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:02 am

United launched the 767 with an order for 30 767-200.
If I am read, JAL launched the 767-300, AA the 767-300ER and Delta the 767-400....
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:19 am

Interesting topic guys. . .

I thought that JAL and Ansett were also in on the original 762 orders.

Who operated the first freighter version of the 767? Anyone?
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:40 pm

I believe the only operator of the 767-300PF is UPS.
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:45 pm

Thanks DesertJets. . .

I guess I was thinking of the Airbourne Express 762s. Although, I know these are conversions.

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:14 pm

If it was United that launched the 767 then why was the demonstrator Boeing brought to Farnborough (1980 maybe) a Delta one rather than a United one?
They also brought an Eastern 757 if I remember correctly.
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:02 pm

767-200 was launched by United with an order for 30 aircraft on July 14 1978. United also was the first airline to place it into revenue service on September 8 1982. First flight of the 767-200 was on September 26 1981.

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The 767-200ER was placed into revenue service on March 27 1984 by EL AL

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The 767-300 was placed into revenue service on October 20 1986 by JAL

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The 767-300ER was placed into revenue service on March 3 1988 by American Airlines

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The 767-300F was first in revenue service with UPS on October 16 1995

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:27 pm

DesertJets, Asiana, Mas Air and Lan Chile/Absa are other B767-300F operators:

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:38 pm

United, American and DELTA launched the 762, while eASTERN and british went for the 757.
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:23 pm

ANA of Japan also operates a 767-300F:

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:42 pm

Here are the first deliveries of B767 (not in order):

ln 1 B767-200 09/26/81 BOEING COMPANY N767BA
First aircraft for AC
ln 16 B767-233 10/30/82 AIR CANADA C-GAUB
First aircraft for TWA
ln 14 B767-231(ER) 11/22/82 TWA N601TW
First aircraft for AA
ln 8 B767-223 11/04/82 AMERICAN AIRLINES N301AA
First aircraft for DL
ln 6 B767-232 03/25/83 DELTA AIR LINES N101DA
First 767s
ln 2 B767-222 04/29/83 UNITED AIRLINES N601UA
ln 3 B767-222(ET) 01/24/83 UNITED AIRLINES N602UA [CVTD -222]
ln 4 B767-222 04/13/83 UNITED AIRLINES N603UA
ln 5 B767-222 01/12/83 UNITED AIRLINES N604UA

First aircraft delivered to UA
ln 9 B767-222(ET) 08/19/82 N606UA

First aircraft for Ansett
ln 24 B767-277 06/06/83 ANSETT AUSTRALIA VH-RMD

So you can see that United Airlines was first to introduce 767.

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:56 pm

>If it was United that launched the 767 then why was the demonstrator Boeing brought to Farnborough (1980 maybe) a Delta one rather than a United one?
>They also brought an Eastern 757 if I remember correctly.


These aircraft appeared at the 1982 Farnborough show (N102DA and N505EA if memory serves me right). They just happened to be part of the certification flying program of which several aircraft were used including United and Delta aircraft (767) and Eastern and BA (757). This was a massive certification program at the time for Boeing (and GE, P&W and RR) and involved aircraft destined for more than just the launch airline. The actual "demonstrator" 767 N767BA (ln 1) remains with Boeing to this day.

Both these aircraft (the Eastern 757 and Delta 767) also paid a visit to Luton around the same time (where I saw them). 102 was the aircraft that became Spirit of Delta.
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:01 am

Forgive me for being blunt, but ALL OF THIS INFORMATION is availible at the boeing website!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:22 am

AirCanada launched the 767M version and came very close to being the first for the 767-200ER. (Ethiopian Air beat them by 4 months.)

Amazingly Pacific Western was the first Canadian airline to order the 767 even though they soon sold them to AC.

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:12 am

UAL launched the 762 with an order for 30 in July 1978. They ordered 9 more (for 39 in total) prior to the first delivery. The 1981/82 recession caused UA to cancel 20 of the 39 762's on order, leaving 19 that were actually delivered.

Amazingly Pacific Western was the first Canadian airline to order the 767 even though they soon sold them to AC.

PWA ordered 4 762's plus 2 options. 2 were delivered while the 2nd pair was cancelled. The initial 2 were operated by PWA for 12-18 months before they were sold to AC.

CP Air also ordered 4 762's with 4 options.



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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:39 pm

CP Air later traded their 4 767-200 orders for more 737's, as did Pacific Western with the second two of their 767 order. I remember when PWA was flying the 767 from Vancouver to Seattle - great to see but not terribly practical use of the planes. Another early customer for the 767-200 that later switched the order for 737's was Western Airlines, which ordered six 767's about the same time CP ordered theirs.
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:58 pm

My recollection is the 767 was designed pretty much to UAL's specs for their "semi-transcon" routes, Denver - East and Cleveland - West, CLE then being a UAL hub.
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:06 am

It would have been nice to see a 767 in old CPair colors. I wonder if CPair would have survived a while longer with the 767? After all, the only aircraft CP had when PWA took over in 1986 were DC-10s and 737s. Pretty bad move by CPair looking back now....
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 8:35 am

yo guys, it was delta. delta was the launching partner of the 767 aircraft!!!

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 8:58 am

UA originally did not intent to use the 762 on transcon services- the intended routes were one-stop transcon service such as NYC-DEN-LAX or WAS-ORD-SEA......wow, have times changed. The airlines that placed the original orders for the 767-200 had short/medium haul ops in mind, which explains the large orders by AA (which had limited international service at the time), AC (for intra-Canada and transborder flights) and even Pacific Western.

Some interesting trivia......DL had the option to "convert" its 767-200 aircraft to 767-300s, by converting I mean sending the aircraft back to Boeing to be lengthened and streched to -300 standard; DL never took up the option and the 15 762s remain with DL in their original form (also, from what I hear, their original interiors and are looking a bit worn at the moment).

Western did order 6 examples of the 767-200, as mentioned above, and converted the order to 737-200s which made more sense for their route system. The 737-200s were among the last of the type built, and were actually delivered after Western had received some 737-300s (WA placed a small order for the 733). Most of the subject 732s are still flying for Delta today....first mainline, then Express, and now mainline again.

When launched, the 767 was considered a "medium haul" airliner intended for routes up to about 2000 miles, fitting into an airlines fleet between the DC10/L1011 and the 727-200; DL flew its first examples on NYC-FLorida and ATL-MSY/MIA/ORD routes and the ability of the 762 to operate out of LGA was a prime concern......the idea of the ER types came later on, along with the idea of flying this twin jet overseas. The ER types really saved the 767 program and the 767 became much more of a 707 replacement (in mission) that a 727 replacment (in mission).
 
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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:09 am

Boeing says its United:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/background.html

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RE: Who Launched The 767?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 7:28 pm

straight off boeing website.

first order United on 14 July 1978 for 10 767-200;s, AA and DL followed on 14 November 1978 for 13 and 15 aircraft respectively

first delivery was to United on 19 Aug 1982


Of the 767 300 Model. First order was to Japan Airlines on 29 Sep 1983 and subsequent delivery to them on 25 September 1986.