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Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:54 am

In recent days it has come to my attention that most of us have forgotten that before the first flight hit the World Trade Center, there was terror in the air. We have all been so very focused on the people in the World Trade Center, and the Firefighters. Yes, it is so very tragic that they perished as well. However, we have forgotten the people that feared for their lives for nearly an hour before the first aircraft impacted the World Trade Center.


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For any of us that are or have been Flight Attendants or Cockpit Crew, it has to be chilling. On that day they all put on their uniforms and went to work! True, our office is at 35,000 feet. But, you have to realize that we are taught to deal with many things in training but never something so unimaginable as that!

They would have boarded the flight an hour before the passengers, proceeded with safety checks, meal counts, audio/video operation, reviewed passenger lists, flight times, flight routes. And about 40 minutes prior to departure the passengers would have started boarding the aicraft. Since, it has been previously stated. The hijackers were known to have been seated in First Class. So, by airline standards that Flight Attendants would have proceeded with hanging up any passenger coats, followed by a pre-departure drink service, and presentation of Inflight menus. And, as per airline standards they would address the First Class passengers by name!

They had to address their murderers by name!

Once he First Class/Business Class passengers were aboard the aircraft the main cabin and any passenegers requiring assistance would have proceeded to board the aircraft. At 10 minutes prior to departure an announcement would have been made as to welcome passenegers aboard and to advise them of the baggage information. Several minutes after that there would be another announcement and that would state intent to pushback from the gate and request for all passengers to be seated. The aircraft door would have been closed and the Flight Attendants would then proceed with the Video Demonstration of Safety Features aboard the American Airlines 767-200 aircraft.

During the video, the Flight Attendants would walk up and down the aisle insuring that baggage was properly stowed and that all seat belts, tray tables, and overhead bins were in their respective locked and stowed positions. Then the Flight Attendants would make one last check in the Galleys to insure the meal and liquor carts were correctly locked and braked. And they would pass through First/Business Class one last time to collect the remaining service items from the Pre-Departure service.

After insuring that everything was in order for departure they would be seated, and more than likely began a conversation with their fellow crew member in reference what to do when they got to L.A., who kids had a birthday, who bid which line for the next month!

The rest very sadly is history!

We will never know!

Did the terror start at climb out?

What actions did the Hijackers take first?

What was the reaction of the Flight Attendants?

What was the reaction of the Passengers?

How was the cockpit door opened?

Did the Hijackers go to the back of the plane?

Did the Hijackers move the passengers?

Who did the Hijackers harm first?

We know one thing for certain. Moments prior to the impact - Sara Low, the Purser on Flight 11. Was on her cellular telephone describing what she saw from the aircraft window - she had stated -

“I can see water, I can see buildings, Oh my God”

The next few seconds had to have been an eternity for Sara, the remaining Flight Attendants and the passengers. Did they actually realize what was happening? Did they know that the end was inevitable? Did they know this would change the World?

-at 08:43 am American Airlines Flight 11 met its fate in New York City-

For now, those of us that knew those incredible Flight Attendants, must stop and wonder.

What could I have done?

What would I have done different?

Could I have stopped it?

And the one everlasting line-

“I wish I would have said I love you, just one last time”

This is in memory of all persons that dies on 9-11-01!

This is the legacy - What becomes of their beloved industry!

We have to wear our wings proud. Everyday, be it good or be it bad - at least we still have wings!
Think of that the next time you see an elderly couple, a child, or a couple settle into their seats!
**** We Have Wings Today - For The Sacrifice They Made Yesterday ****
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:48 pm

Your description is chilling. As a fellow FA who was getting ready to go to work that morning, I can remember waking up at 6:45 mountain time...getting ready for work. I pulled my rollaboard beside the table, flicked on the TV and poured my cereal. I remember seeing the first news report when they though flight 11 was a small aircraft that has lost it's way.

I then remember being on the bus, still thinking I was going to work and hearing the news on my Walkman. I can remember arriving at work and being told to just go home. Ugh, I felt so sick for the rest of the day.

You're story brings back some chilling memories, but it was nice to reflect on that day and remember our fellow co-workers whose only crime was going to work that morning, completeing their safety checks and loving their jobs.

RIP.
Andrew.
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:49 pm

Sara Low, the Purser on Flight 11. Was on her cellular telephone describing what she saw from the aircraft window - she had stated - “I can see water, I can see buildings, Oh my God”
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Oddly enough for all the reports I read at the time, it was the line above, and imagining that part of the nightmare that I identified with more than any other.

Can't even pretend at all to comprehend what that must have been like

Jeremy
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Mon Oct 20, 2003 2:02 pm

I was living in NYC at the time of the attacks.
When I think that I could have been in those buildings with a somebody that could have been visiting me, tears still come to my eyes.

I cannot imagine what the good and innocent fellows in those planes went trough. Lets keep their memory alive and be sure that they are now in a much better place (we should have written this on 9-11)

Best to all
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Mon Oct 20, 2003 2:45 pm

KI777JFK
That is so wierd, you just asked about all the same erie questions I wondered. These people, just going on their normal daily routines...etc, but I wondered with as such detail as you did, it certainly is a tradgedy! I think the scariest F/A position would be working an RJ where there is one F/A, or any aircraft with one F/A for that matter, you have to feel like, what ever happens on this plane, its just me that has to deal with it!
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:43 pm

It has always sickened me that the crew unwittingly were providing these evil people with the pleasantries and service of a first class passenger. And they were sat there laughing about it, words cannot comprehend.
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:34 am

Flight Attendants: There to try to save your ass, not kiss it.

Respect to all who died on the flights, I know you would have done all you could for the passengers.

ITK
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:40 am

Extremely touching post!

FYI, Sara Low was not the purser.
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:06 am

American Airlines Flight 11: Calm Before The Crash


"Listen, and listen to me very carefully. I'm on Flight 11. The airplane has been hijacked," said the voice on the other end. The caller was Amy Sweeney, a flight attendant on board American Airlines Flight 11, which had just been hijacked on its way from Boston to Los Angeles. Over the next 25 minutes, Sweeney, a 13-year veteran with the airline, calmly relayed information to Woodward that would later be crucial in helping the FBI identify the men who hijacked the plane and flew it into the north tower of the World Trade Center. Another flight attendant, Betty Ong, who had been with American Airlines for 14 years, also called colleagues on the ground. Seat Numbers Identified Hijackers Flight 11 had taken off from Boston's Logan Airport at 7:59 a.m., with a light load of 81 passengers.

There were 11 crew on board: a captain, a first officer, and nine flight attendants. A few minutes into the flight, five men got up from their seats and made their way to the cockpit, soon taking control of the plane. Sweeney and Ong were in the coach section of the plane. Using crew telephones, they made the calls to their colleagues on the ground, Sweeney to Woodward, a flight services manager at Logan Airport, and Ong to the airline's reservations line. Woodward said Sweeney spoke "very, very calmly... in a way which was quick but calm." She gave him the seat numbers for four of the five hijackers, allowing airline staff to pull up their names, phone numbers, addresses — and even credit card numbers — on the reservations computer. One of the names that came up was Mohamed Atta, the man the FBI would later identify as the leader of all 19 of the Sept. 11 hijackers. Sweeney told Woodward the hijackers seemed to be of Middle Eastern descent and said they had gone into the cockpit with a bomb with yellow wires attached. She said they had stabbed the two first-class flight attendants, Barbara Arestegui and Karen Martin, whose station at the front of the plane likely made them the first crew members to confront the hijackers. She said they had also slashed the throat of a business class passenger, who was bleeding severely.

The flight attendants gave the injured people oxygen, and made an announcement over the PA system asking if there was a doctor or nurse on board. Sweeney told Woodward the passengers in the coach section were calm and that they believed there was some type of medical emergency at the front of the plane. Flight Attendants Gathered Information.

Flight Attendant Betty Ong's call came through to Vanessa Minter, an agent at the airline's reservation center in Raleigh, N.C. Minter conferenced in Nydia Gonzales, whose responsibilities include dealing with security issues. Ong told the two women the hijackers had sprayed something in the first-class cabin to keep people out of the front of the plane. The two women could hear that other flight attendants were going back and forth in the coach section to relay information to Ong. "There was total teamwork," said Gonzales. Ong said the hijackers had not made any demands. The first four minutes of Ong's call were recorded, but the FBI has not released the tape to the public. Sweeney's phone call was not recorded, but Woodward took notes that would later become crucial to the FBI's investigation.

Without Sweeney's calm reporting, the plane might have crashed with no one certain the man in charge was tied to al Qaeda. 'Rapid Descent' About 15 minutes after the women first called, the plane suddenly lurched, tilting all the way to one side, then becoming horizontal again. Ong said the plane was flying erratically, and Sweeney said it had begun a rapid descent. "For a flight attendant to say rapid descent, it's rapid and it's quick. We don't use those terms very loosely," said Woodward. They were now nearing New York and the World Trade Center, but on board the plane it was quiet. "You didn't hear hysteria in the background. You didn't hear people screaming," said Minter. Woodward asked Sweeney to look out of the window and see if she could tell what was going on. "I see the water. I see the buildings. I see buildings," she told him. On the line to Raleigh, Ong said over and over again, "Pray for us. Pray for us." Gonzales and Minter assured her they were praying. Sweeney told Woodward the plane was flying very low. Then, he said, "She took a very slow, deep breath and then just said, 'Oh, my God!' Very slowly, very calmly, very quietly. It wasn't in panic." Those were the last words Woodward heard. "Seconds later," he said, "there was a very, very loud static on the other end." While Woodward was still holding the telephone, hoping Sweeney would come through, his operational manager came into the room and said that a plane had just crashed into the World Trade Center. Woodward did not make the connection immediately. "I almost at that point said, 'Not now, we have a serious situation here,'" he said. But moments later, he realized that Sweeney's flight was the one that hit the World Trade Center.

The American Airlines ground staff who spoke to the two flight attendants were astonished by their professionalism and courage. Gonzales and Minter said Ong showed no fear at all during the 25-minute conversation. "It was never about 'Help me, pray for me,'" said Gonzales. "It was about 'Pray for us, help us.' That's a totally selfless person."

May the cabin crew, flightdeck crew and pax of AA11 rest in peace.

May their tormentors and murderers rot in Hell forever.




 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:08 am

AA Stew,

My error!

I am very sorry, I must apologize for that!

I am still pulling for all of you at AA. No matter what, AA is still and will always be Something Special In The Air! Everyone, has made jokes about Barbie School, but we lived it. Their in Dallas! It became a reality!

For anyone that has ever passed through American Airlines. Has ever worked for American Airlines. I can honestly say. We were the stuff that dreams were made of.

We would present Evian as a fine wine. We would be the most elegant, well-groomed cabin crew. When we entered the termanil heads turned!

Now, unfortunately we have banana clips, sweaters around the waist... all things that were cardinal no - no's!

But like I said -

WEAR YOUR WINGS WITH PRIDE, EVERYTIME YOU FLY THINK OF THE CABIN CREW MEMBERS THAT SACRAFICED FOR US! GO ON, THEIR LEGACY IS WHAT WE MAKE OF IT TODAY!
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:10 am

Hi KI777JFK

Thank you so much for such a wonderfully written, meaningful post.

I've wondered the same exact things - I mean I've gotten micro-analytical about it once or twice...and also wondered if I was the only one who felt a need to know the answers. Of course, that's impossible, we'll never know.

On a side note: Maybe I've missed something...but I've never seen anything on TV or in writing dedicated to those crews. Why haven't they been singled out as the "Heroes" that day?

 Crying

Kate
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:11 am

Artysman,
A clarification to your post, the flight attendant using her cell phone was Amy Sweeny who contacted the Boston MOD and Betty Ong was on the inflight phone talking to a res agent, both providing details of what was going on up there.

Karen Martin was the purser on the doomed flight.

I believe Sara Low was the standby that morning who was used at the last minute for a flight attendant called in.

Mike-BOS
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:11 am

"On a side note: Maybe I've missed something...but I've never seen anything on TV or in writing dedicated to those crews. Why haven't they been singled out as the "Heroes" that day?"

See the above article I placed here.

Canadi>nBoy
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:24 am

Hi Canadi>nBoy...

Thank you...that's pretty awesome. It wasn't there when I started my post.

Take care,

Kate
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:29 am

you know, everyone always talks about the Heroes being on the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania, on its way to an unknown target (probably the White House). Of course, those passengers are heroes.

But what about the other flights? In my mind, those flight attendants and unknown passengers are also heroes. They did not have the benefit of knowing what was going on, that they were pawns in the middle of a sick, twisted and evil plan. But they must have felt fear as much as anyone else on 9/11. Knowing there were injured (or dead) flight attendants and passengers on board, knowing that the plane was being hi-jacked with unknown intentions, and knowing the plane was flying erratically all adds up to an unimaginable fear that must have crept over them. Yet by all accounts, these crewmembers still acted professionally... I can't help thinking I'd be screaming for my life, not that it would have done much good.

There is not much about 9/11 that I don't find horrific and incredibly sad. I have thought about these first two flights almost from the moment I heard about commercial aircraft hitting the towers. For surviving family members, the horror still goes on.

God bless.
None shall pass!!!!
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:58 am

I don't think that there is one current or ex-Flight Attendant/Purser whose thoughts did not immediately go to the cabin crews of the ill-fated AA and UAL flights on September 11. Like many people here, I too pondered and pondered yet again over what were/might have been the incidents that took place on-board those flights, and how the cabin crews reacted. Part of me tried to block it out of my mind, yet I could not help but return my thoughts to the cabin crews. I, like every other current and ex FA, was absolutely devastated.

In February of this year, I flew American Airlines from YYZ-ORD-SFO. My work colleague and I were up-graded to First Class at YYZ-Pearson AA check-in for the ORD-SFO sector, and the equipment we flew was a B767-300 (AA11, as everyone knows, was a B767-200). As we boarded in ORD, I kid you not, I was feeling physically sick, as my mind once again raced back in time to the morning of Sept 11, when the terrorists boarded the AA and UAL flights at Logan. As we took our seats (1A and B) on Flight 47, I watched the First Class Flight Attendants go about their pre-departure duties (as best I could, as a bulkhead/galley unit partially blocked my view of the 767-300 fwd galley). Again, I could not help but think of the AA FA's, going about the very same pre-departure rituals that morning (menu distribution, hanging up of coats in the fwd closet, closing and arming of the fwd door, pushback and safety demo video, etc.). I looked over at my colleague, and started to mention what was on my mind. He seemed to read my thoughts, and replied, "Don't even mention it. I'm thinking the same thing".

Thank God the FA's on AA47 (who, by the way, were absolutely fantastic) offered us a pre-take-off drink. I needed it. Rarely do I drink, but I hoped the alcohol would put me in a foggy headspace. I was also semi-angry with myself that I could not put AA11 out of my mind, sit back and enjoy the flight. My head was spinning with thoughts as we taxiied and took-off from O'Hare. In my head, I was counting the minutes right after take-off when it was thought the terrorists sitting in First/Business Class made their move to overtake the flight.....by attacking the fwd assigned Flight Attendants. Again, I tried very hard to shake these thoughts, as I watched the FA's set up for the after-take-off bar service and subsequent meal service. It was only after my second drink that I finally relaxed and actually enjoyed the flight; the friendly and cheery disposition of the 2 AA fwd FA's ensured that I did just that.

As I said, I don't think there is one current or ex cabin crew member who will ever forget these AA and UAL crews and the events which lead to their horrific deaths. Yes, we of course remember the pax and flightdeck crews,
but the FA's will always be foremost in our thoughts (and for some of us, our prayers).

Canadi>nBoy
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:59 am

From the moment, just after 3pm (we have 6 hours time difference to New York) on a warm, sunny afternoon over here on 11 September 2001 up to now, I have spent quite some time thinking about what the situation must have been like for the crew and passengers trapped on board these planes - and what I've read here sent chills down my spine.

I think that both AA and UA should be proud of their crews, proud of the professional way they behaved on these doomed flights, doing their best to make the situation at least a little more bearable for the passengers while most likely going through one nightmareish scenario after another in their heads of what could happen.

Does someone have a list of the names of the crews on board of these four flights? We've heard so many names of passengers on these flights, but, with the example of the crewmembers mentioned here, I do not think that I have heard or read the names of the crews.

I can only agree with Canadi>nBoy in saying:

May the cabin crew, flightdeck crew and pax of AA11 (as well as AA77, UA93, UA175) rest in peace.

May their tormentors and murderers rot in Hell forever
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:20 am

Artysman, A clarification to your post, the flight attendant ...
*****

The post above was not mine, but probably good to point out the error anyway.
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:24 am

KI777jfk,

If you think anyone has forgotten read my trip report Shanksville PA.

I was in the air that day too. As a passenger on my way to take a supervisor test at WHQ. Needless to say I never took that test.

It still hurts very deeply to think that we were violated in the coarse of doing "our" job. By Our I mean everyone who works for an airline.

in PHL we worked with a woman from EWR. She told us in PHL that the CSR who closed the door and pulled the jetway on Flt 93 is still a mess mentally. A ramp serviceman now in PHL worked in EWR loaded bags on FLT 93 he still won't talk about it.

Employee of UA and AA, Flight Crews, Ground personell, and Support alike all feel the pain together. And we will carry on and do our jobs TOGETHER.
A little less Hooah, and a little more Dooah.
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:25 am

You know, JonnyGT, you're entitled to your opinion here, as we all most certainly are, but you have offended everyone of us who posted here by referring to this topic and it's subsequent replies as "Schlock". I beg to differ.
I myself have not written anything on or about the events on this site re Sept11 for a very long time, yet this poignant topic placed here today brought out my own thoughts and reflections, as is my prerogative.

If you are sick to death of these threads, then why not just by-pass them and don't respond to them?. That is your preogative; just as it is ours to post any thoughts we are entitled to share with others.

Kind regards,
Canadi>nBoy
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:57 am

Top post KI777jfk. JonnyGT don't bother reading this.

I flew in the cockpit of a Swissair machine 4 days before 911 - staff standby, flight full, nice Captain took me. (I even ate his meal, but that's another story!) I never thought that would be my last time.

Two years on, it still fills me with dread to think what would have been happening on board those aircraft to the crew both cockpit and cabin.

To second Leskova:

May the cabin crew, flightdeck crew and pax of AA11 (as well as AA77, UA93, UA175) rest in peace.

May their tormentors and murderers rot in Hell forever.
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:58 am

I ignored JonnyGT's post.
Basically it meant as much to me as used JonnyCat.
None shall pass!!!!
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:22 am

JohnnyGT,


The words and the manner to which you have replied. Is most insulting, disgusting and anti-sympathetic!

Please there is a time and a place for everything!

Your time/place is to be outwardly unsympathetic to those of us that lost crew-members is most definitely not now-

PLEASE DO US A FAVOR, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSLEF!

The fact that you would mention such banter is utterly repulsive!

Are you a Flight Attendant?
Are you a Pilot?
Are you a Co-Pilot?
Are you an United Airlines/American Airlines employee, or even a employee within the industry?

If non of the above, please do not continue ...and leave the conversation for friends, and co-workers to reflect!

No matter what happened we must insure the following never changes!

AA
Something Special in the Air

UA
Fly the Friendly Skies

May they reign for many years to come. And more important may the legacy of their fallen crew-members live on to inspire many more!
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:41 am

"I flew in the cockpit of a Swissair machine 4 days before 911 - staff standby, flight full, nice Captain took me. (I even ate his meal, but that's another story!"

Let me attempt to bring a wry smile to this otherwise sad topic:

That reminds me of the time I was working (FA) the fwd cabin of an
L-1011 flight YYZ-PVR. During our pre-boarding checks, our neurotic, narcissist of a Captain staged a total, full fledged freak-out as he discovered SOMEONE on the crew had eaten "his" banana from the crew fruit tray brought to him by another FA. (I flew with this Captain before, and recall he ALWAYS had ate the bananas from the crew tray). This man yelled and screamed for the dirty culprit to reveal him/herself. ("WHO the F*** ate my Goddammned Banana!") We were in shock, and could not believe this guy was carrying on so much over friggin piece of fruit. It got so bad, that one of the FA's ran into the terminal, bought a banana, rushed back to the aircraft, and literally threw it at him as he sat in his designated left-hand seat on the flightdeck; she told him EXACTLY what he could do with the banana.

Afterwards, we discovered that this Captain had gone so far as to write the crew up/made a formal complaint to our director of cabin services. Yep, a year later, while perusing my personnel file, there it was, a letter citing myself and the other FA's on that flight as being suspects in the "theft" of said Captain's Banana. Below the letter, SOMEONE had written: "Give me a
F*****G break!", and "Get a Life!".  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:52 am

Nice one!
I had steak and mashed potato north of London. It was nearly top of descent and the crew had been too busy to get the cockpit meals heated up earlier.
The skipper offered, I said yes. I think he saw me salivating, it had been a busy day.

Cheers.
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:33 am

Canadian Boy and Standby87

Please.... refer to the subject.

The subject has nothing to do with a charter flight to Mexico. Nor does it have anything to do with a meal over London!

The subject is very serious! Please do not make light of the subject!

 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:43 am

What an incredibly moving report. Kl777jfk and Canadi>nBoy, I think it would be great if you sent letters to newspapers around the world of these reports.

God bless through Jesus with love,

Jeff
God bless through Jesus, Jeff
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:18 am

Newspapers dont give much attention to airlines.

Not only that - it seems as though Flight 93! Has been Sainted! I just cant believe that the Press would wash away all of the other flights!

The fact that the after the plane hit the Pentagon, all you heard was about the people in the Pentagon! You didnt hear about the crew-members of passengers on AA 77!

The fact that after the planes hit the World Trade Center, all you heard about was the Firfighters, and the people in the buildings! The crew-members and passengers seemed to fade out as soon as all of the Firefighter Tributes, Firefighter Documentaries - aired in mass quantities on the news and television!

It is a lost cause!

At least in this forum we may pay the proper tribute to the people lost!

They did make a difference!

AA
&
UA

Together They Shall Stand!
 
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RE: Don't Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:53 am

Nice reminder. Too often the media tells us stories of heroic firefighters and even the pilots but rarely if ever are the cabincrew mentioned. Of course it was tragic that any person perished in the attack...I wish when it came to being remembered my colleagues were given the same respect.
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:04 am

You never know, you send them a story like that and it might just spark an interest. It could be worth a try.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:19 am

When the events of September 11th transpired before our very eyes, I kept praying that United Airlines Flight 93 was related to the other three flights. (Before you rip me to pieces, let me continue.) If it had turned out ot be an odd coincidence, I could see its crew members and passengers quickly becoming the forgotten victims.

Someone up above mentioned that print journalism didn't focus much on the other three flights. Looking back on it, I'm inclined to agree. Yes, they were mentioned, but not to the extent of Flight 93. Never had I dreamed the day would come when I would realize that Flight 93, the very flight I hoped would not become the forgotten one, would eventually overshadow the other three losses.

Each time I step onboard an airliner, I can't help but think of those valient spirits who dared to face down the enemy. I feel them with me each time I take to the skies. It is for them, that I continue to fly. It is for them, that I will NEVER let anyone take away my passion for aviation.

To all my brothers and sisters who are pilots, flight attendants, grounds crew, etc, with each and every airline...thank you for continuing to do all that you do to make each day as safe as the last. Thank you for carrying on THEIR legacy. You, as well as all the victims, are my heros.

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RE: Don't Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:36 am

One of you made mention of being a flight attendant. I was too, I say was because my time in the skies was with Pan American. That horrendous morning I was working in a kindergarten class at the elementary school here in town. True I am no longer a flight attendant, but I must say that it hit me as hard as when I was flying and something happened. I had to leave school because I could not function properly in front of the little ones. The descriptions printed here are indeed frightening. To think what these brave people went through is beyond imagination.

The bravery shown by the cabin crews to be able to communicate the identity of the individuals responsible was truly a testament to the training and selection done by their companies.

I cannot begin to fathom how they maintained such composure under such trying circumstances. I am very proud of them and of the standards they were able to uphold.

May their families take comfort in the fact that their loved ones took part in the indentification of the ones that did this. And may they all be resting in the arms of our Lord and Savior.
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:55 am

What a poignant thread despite some efforts to take away from it.

I have always appreciated what the crews are there for. I don't bitch about my airfare b/c I know if goes into the pockets of able hands.

I'm an O.D. so people trust me with their vision and eye health. On the other side of the token, I give my trust to you in the air.

Great people gave their lives that morning and yes, the risk was, unfortunately, a rare and sad part of their jobs.

I will always remember what they did. I will always grimace at what it must have been like in their shoes.

Godspeed to them and their loved ones and to all of you who protect us up there.

signed, just an O.D. whose also part of an AA family.
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:10 pm

Wonderful post almost make me cry. I feel so sad for the people that are still alive and now have lost their loved ones those flights. I will never stop flying nor will I not use American or United airlines ( not that I will do anything special to fy United). I thought that all the airplanes used on 9/11 were 757-200's. Maybe only United had 2 757's involved.
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:28 pm

Thanks for a great post, and this country and the world can't afford to forget what happened and the lessons learned. Posts like these certainly help to achieve that. Thank you very much for the taking the time to post this...

JonnyGT: Get a life, and a clue, dude. You have no tact whatsoever. Your comments were TOTALLY uncalled for, and certainly not worth your 2 cents.

I was 3,000 miles away, in the Seattle area, when it all happened. AA11 hit the north tower a few minutes after my alarm clock turned off, otherwise I would have heard the news shortly thereafter. I listened to a CD in the car on the way to work in Bellevue, WA, otherwise I would have heard then. It wasn't until I got to work and started the internet did I learn what happened...the headline on MSNBC at 8am Pacific that morning: "America's Day of Terror" and a subtitle was "South Tower collapses". I read on and the life just sort of drained away. I did my job that morning, and then we shut down and went home, and then watched the news. Later that afternoon, I saw a few F15's flying low overhead, south of Everett, WA. No other planes in the sky...eerie...and sad.

A month later, two years from this past weekend, I flew out to NY to see Game #3 of the ALCS between the Mariners and Yankees, but also to see what I could of Ground Zero. After the 6th inning, I went down to the Empire State Building, and could look south and saw the bright spotlights at Ground Zero. I then took the subway as far south as I could, to Chandler St. I think it was. From there, I walked the 8 blocks south, and it was sooo quiet and sooo eerie...people were crying, I saw all the posters of those who were missing, and all this at about 11:30pm. I got down to Liberty and Broadway and looked west towards what was the south tower...a construction worker was way up on a piece of it, cutting it away. I saw the fire trucks pouring water on the remains, which was still on fire a month after. I stood there for about an hour, just in complete shock. The next morning, I missed my early flight to ORD and on to SEA. I got to LGA and caught a 757 to DEN-SEA instead. We followed much of the route of UA93 I thought...over northern NJ, across PA, and south of CLE. As we flew south of CLE, I couldn't but think this was about the point where the terror began on #93. One day I hope to make it to Shanksville, and ultimately to the new WTC, after it's completed.

This past August, on my way home from BOS after a week's vacation, I walked down the C concourse at Logan and found a man sitting at the UA counter. I asked him in a somewhat lowered voice if he knew which gate UA175 left from. He told me C19, and I walked down there, took some pictures of the gate area, and then realized that a flagpole had been installed above the jetway door, and a flag was blowing in the wind. I sat at C19 for a while, just pondering what must have happened before the flight left...ironically there was no plane at the gate when I was there. A short while later, the same United agent (Michael was his name) walked up to me and asked if I knew anyone on the plane. I told him that I didn't, but that I wanted to pay my respects, in a way. He then told me that he had worked the flight that fateful morning, and his roommate was on the plane. He was nearly in tears...I didn't know what to say, other than that I was terribly sorry. He still continues to work for United at BOS, and at C19...that's loyalty, folks...simply amazing.

One last note...my Dad, who was a mechanic for UA in PDX, bought a pin shortly after the attacks that had the AA/UA logos on them, and the 4 red hearts, each with the flight numbers from that day. It said in red letters "Forever in our Hearts". The proceeds from the sale went towards a fund that helped the surviving employee families I think. My mom wears the pin when she flies. I suppose many of the UA/AA employees here have them as well.

Thanks for reading this, and again, thanks for posting. The accounts told here and elsehwere are timeless, and may they never be forgotten. I hope that when I'm in later days I can share with future kids my experiences at Ground Zero that night, 10/19/01.
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:36 pm

Kevin752: UA175 and AA11 were both 767-200's. They were the ones that went into the WTC. Both flights left BOS.

UA93 (Shanksville, PA) and AA77 (Pentagon) were both 757-200's. UA93 left EWR, and AA77 left IAD.

Hope that clears it up for you.
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:41 pm

A question from a customer: Does anyone know where the flight crews were at time of crash? I always wondered if they were up front and saw what was coming...that must have been worse than pax view..
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:59 am

One last note...my Dad, who was a mechanic for UA in PDX, bought a pin shortly after the attacks that had the AA/UA logos on them, and the 4 red hearts, each with the flight numbers from that day. It said in red letters "Forever in our Hearts". The proceeds from the sale went towards a fund that helped the surviving employee families I think. My mom wears the pin when she flies. I suppose many of the UA/AA employees here have them as well.


Employee certainly do have them. I no longer wear mine. Its to important to me, and I'm afraid I might lose it. It accompanied my brother to Afganistan with the Tenth Mountain division and stayed in his BDU pocket. I told him to bring it back to me safe and sound. He did.

KI777jfk I can understand some of your reaction to Flt 93. I can seem like it gets all the attention. However, what you need to remember, is that the passengers and crew did not know what was happening on thier flights. Flight 11 and 175 were the first, they had no idea that this would be different. the passengers and crew of flight 77 had no time to react. The people on flight 93 were in a different situation. They KNEW what had happened in NY and DC. They KNEW that their flight was destined to cause more damage. Those people out of all of the other vistims of 9-11 living and dead where in a position to DO something about it. AND THEY DID. That makes them unique. The othe passengers and crew would most certainly had made the same choice if they knew. But thats not how it happened. As Americans we tend to recognize those who act resolutly to thwart evil. So Flight 93's passengers and crew are destined to become heroes.

As with most heroism. It is not a reflection on the people. (I am positive the AA flights and the other UA flight would have done the same had they know or had the time.) Heroism is a reflection on the circumstances those people found themselves in.
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:12 am

Please...

Let us not discount any crewmember that was sacraficed on 9-11-01!

If they knew their fate... If they did not know their fate!

They are and forever will be.... HEROS!
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:54 am

These reminders are important. Time heals wounds, but it should not dull our sensibilities. So much of what we are today was influenced by what happened that day.

There are respected authors and leaders in the world that insist that 9/11 was staged by the US (and maybe didn't really happen), and others who feel that "we" somehow deserved it. You cannot hold those views as long as the facts are continually recycled and restated (oddly similar to the holocaust).
 
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RE: Dont Forget - 9/11 Cabin Crews

Wed Oct 22, 2003 6:59 am

Ki777jfk,

I think we are saying the same thing in different ways. I was not discounting anyone who was a victim of 9-11. I was offering an explaination as to why contrary to what conventional wisdom may have said at the time Flt 93 has become the focus of so much attention.

It is that same w/ the NYFD and NYPD in New York. Americans do not like to dwell on victims of brutality, we, as a group seem to focus on the people who take action in these types of events.

Who knows the stories of anyone who dies in F class on UA 232 in Souix City? But many people know the story of the little boy who jumped out the back follwing two men who opened the emergency door. The men where killed but the little boy lived. The 101st Airborne hearing his story awarded him his Jumpwings.

We know his story because the media focuses on people who took action. We may never know what the passengers and crew did on those other flights, so Flight 93 will always have more attention focused on it.

It doesn't detract from the sacrifice of tragedy of the other flights or of the thousands who perished inside the buildings. But it serves as a symbol, They are representing all of those affected by 9-11.

I think the stupid comments by some has made you overly sensative to the subject. Take a step back and see that serious postes in this thread would NEVER forget all who died that day.
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