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Excel Airways B767-300

Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:40 pm

At the end of this month, Monarch would not be operating flights on behalf of Golden Caribbean in to Grenada, TObago and St Kitts. We got a memo stating that Excel AIrways will be starting service into Grenada come NOvermber 6th, using the B767-300. From all my searches on airliners.net I cannot find an Excel Airways B767-300. It seems like they only have the 200 series. Anyone can shed light on where this 300 series aircraft will come from?
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:18 pm

Most likely Britannia seen as most of Excel's 762s came frm there.
Also Britannia are pulling their 767s out ofLGW
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:22 pm

Thanks for the info. I was also told that the aircraft was being reconfigured for Excel Airways. So it would make sense if it did come from Britannia...
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:35 pm

Going back on what i said they already have it and i dont think it was fro Britannia,
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:40 pm

How is passenger comfort on Excel as compared to Monarch's A330. Monarch was pretty bad and I couldnt imagine doing the 8 hours flight on it.. I hope for passengers sake Excell is a bit more comfortable.

Monarch Premium passengers got a treat when Monarch used European 747 for the flight. They had a pretty nice premium cabin as compared to Monarch, whose looks like BA's economy.
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:59 pm

I'veflown 9+ hours on the Monarch A330 and n it wasn't nice. unlike airtours they didn't have PTVs only in premium and it was quite cramped, not nice!!!
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:32 am

I had the dubious pleasure of flying an Excel B737-800 which was leased to Air Berlin this year - if I think of sitting in that thing, or another plane configured like it, for even 5 minutes more than the NUE-HAJ sector took, I'd probably prefer to walk... are all their planes like that? Are the 767s 2-3-2 or 2-4-2?
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:41 am

The 767-300's are not coming from BY, they are going to be Icelandic.
Excels ex-Britannia 767-200's came via Air Atlanta to.
On a sideline....why are BY pulling their 767's from LGW ?
 
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:22 am

BY aint gonna pull their 767s from LGW...
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:28 am

I have flown Excel 762's 3 times, there leg room is crap basically, I was crapmed up for 4 hours from LHW-ACE, and it wasnt nice at all.
I heard that Excel will be operating a 767 in a 3 class layout, not sure if this is whats going to happen here.

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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:04 am

Excel's first longhaul aircraft will be operated by Air Atlanta Europe, as their B767-200s are.

The aircraft will be registered G-DAAE, and is a B767-3Y0(ER) which was formerly operated as TF-ATU on behalf of Aviajet on services from Dublin.

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The aircraft will be in the following configuration
Excel One - 24 seats @ 45" pitch (2-2-2)
Premium Economy - 28 seats @ 34" pitch (2-3-2)
Economy - 229 seats @ 30" pitch (2-4-2)
Total seating will be 281

The Economy and Premium Economy cabins on Excel will be pretty much identical to those found on every other UK charter airline. The aircraft will be serving Grenada, Tobago and St Kitts this winter.

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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:18 am

Crosswind it sounds like you have it. Well I am looking forward to working these flights.. We are sharing the flight with TAB on some days and have our own on others. Should be interesting.. Still waiting on the stationary etc. And next week it is BYE BYE Monarch and the A330. I will miss the aircraft.
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:30 am

What configuration do they usually have on their 737-800s? How tight is the seat pitch.

Excel will be sending a 738 to Toronto Canada for winter charter work for Kelowna Flightcraft.
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:31 pm

The 737's are a 3-3 configuration, I havent flown on there 737's but I could safely say that the legroom is poor.


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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 12:32 am

Excel's 737-800s have a one class seating capacity of 189Y ......very tight!
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:18 am

On an Excel related note, 2 new bases will be opened next year, with a 737-800 based at BHX and a 737-800 based at NCL.
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:56 am

Apart from the TAB contract, I have heard that Excel are finding it difficult to sell the aircraft (being in 3 class config) for charter work during the rest of the week. Thus the contract may not be worth as much as it is made out to be.

Can anyone shed any light on how much truth is there is in this rumour?

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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:59 am

I would imagine that its a rumour, as any charter flights sell like hot cakes at the right price. There are always destinations that are popular around the world all year.

I dont know though, just a thought

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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:19 am

Crosswind beat me to it. I ahev seen the XLA winter flight programme from LGW and there will be 3 (I think) Carribean flights a week with the three class config as above. One other noteworthy feature is the 40kg baggage allowance for all passengers. From personal experience I think XLA are an excellent charter airline and it will be interesting to see what there first longhaul product fairs.
 
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:27 am

Would someone who knows Excel's website address please post it... been looking for it for a while now, thnx
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:33 am

Well Lowsonboy, Nov6th is the start date. I forsee the loads would be quite good. Golden Caribbean is the tour operator and their filled the seats when MOnarch was using their A330.
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:02 pm

www.excelairways.com
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:52 pm

Airplanepics and Edina - for information the seat pitch on the B737-800 comes in at 30", that's a full two inches better than BY/MON/AMM/MYT with their B757s/A320s - I can tell you that we have very few complaints regarding the legroom on the B737-800, if anything people comment on the fact that they are the most comfortable charter aircraft they have flown on in a long while.
In fact the ony rows which aren't that good are row 14 (fixed upright) in front of the first emergency exit at row 15, and row 32 (the last row) gives limited recline as it is adjacent to the rear toilet bulkheads.

Also one needs to look at how one sits in a seat, if you are going to bring on loads of hand luggage and stuff it under the seat in front (as people can do on most holiday flights), yes you will be more uncomfortable as you cannot slide your feet and legs under to any degree.

The B767-200 is tight, but it is a seating configuration which was inherited with the aircraft from Britannia, and is no different to BYs - 290 seat B767-200s which they have used and are still using in that config since around 1992. And with people wanting the cheapest fare on a whole, the service more than makes up for it. IMHO

As yet I don't think there are any details on the Excel Airways website, but if you do searches on "charter flights to Tobago/Grenada/St.Kitts/Barbados" I know the agents/tour operators selling the seats give full details.

I think the prices are very competetive from what I have heard (not 100% sure) with return trips starting from about £350 in Economy, £550 in Excel Premium and £1000 for Excel One.

I think everyone is looking forward with great anticipation, and like most things so far with XLA, I think it is likely to be well received - the Excel One product is promises to be better than that the UK charter airlines have offered previously on these routes. Certainly the B767-300 will be more comfortable than any of the B767s or A330s used on these routes before.
 
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RE: Excel Airways B767-300

Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:20 am

I have a question about charter long haul operations for long.

Why, if the UK tour operators use charter carriers (and also from France and Scandinavia) that usually fly the B763 and A332 in 2+4+2 or 3+3+3 cabin layout in economy with a very high density, there isn't a difference in price from the same holiday packages offered by German and Italian tour operator that use charter airlines with more comfortable cabin configuration?

An example: a Monarch A332 could carry up to 374 pax compared with the new Livingston/Lauda Italy A332 with only 274 seats.
100 seats is a huge difference, but if you buy for example a holiday package in Cancun the price is almost the same even if you leave from MXP or LGW.