Udo
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Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:11 pm

Can anyone tell me if SAA still uses its remaining two B747SP and four B747-200? I know the last bmi A330 is to be returned in October, but what's about these B747 classics?


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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:17 pm

Much as I love the old birds, its probably about time the Super-B's were put to bed - they're going on for 30 years old, and I think all of them were with SAA from brand new, and only one or two left the fleet for a short while on leases (I think ZS-SAM Drakensberg went to Varig for a bit). Not bad going really, they deserve an honourable retirement now that the 346's are on their way in. I really hope SAA keep one for their museum flight (don't know if they should paint it in the original C/S though - although all their other museum aircraft are in the original c/s complete with old non-PC flag).

As for the SP's, I hope they keep those flying forever, I love them.
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:23 pm

A Museum B742 would be a good idea, but I guess that's way expensive to keep it flying...
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:31 pm

If i'm not mistaken, SAA has 1x B747SP now and 2x B747-200 left in service.
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:39 pm

Udo - they wouldn't necessarily need to have it airworthy - the Constellation they have does not fly either. It would make a great static display, especially if they could fit the cabin up with the original interior (that might be tricky, but hey that's what enthusiasts are for !). Also would be good for the engineering trainees (that's who've done a lot of the work on the other museum aircraft, I believe).
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:58 pm

I thought they had already given a B742 to a museum...was it not their own one? I'm quite sure I read something about a museum B742 on static display.

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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:01 pm

ZS-SAN went to the SAA Museum Society on September 13th - see
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=154991 and others...
 
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:33 pm

I'm really glad about that - thanks for the info. It would have to be the only one of SA's 742's I never flew on, though.
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:41 pm

All 747-200s of SAA have already passed their 30th birthday (except the two Combis that anyway left the fleet some time ago). They are 32 now, the longest-serving pax-747s, and probably the recordholders if it comes to nonstop-service with a single airlines (well, maybe except some of NWAs DC-9s). And the SPs were among the first delivered, most in 1976.
 
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:48 pm

I think NWA still has two 1971 built B742s in service, another one was retired not long ago. If these two are still there, they should be among the longest serving airliners, too.


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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:59 pm

Udo,

VASP has three 737200s that were delivered fresh from the factory back in 1969..and still a few others were also fresh deliveries from the first half of the 70´s

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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:13 pm

Udo,
after N613US (built 1971) was retired earlier this year the oldest active 747 in NWAs fleet should be N623US of 1979 now (N622US of 1979 also has been retired by now).
 
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:42 pm

Hi!
The only SP left ZSSPE will be retired at the end of the month after the
last JOHANNESBURG BANGKOK JOHANNESBURG flight is operated

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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:46 pm

Thanks for the info, Na! Btw, where do you find retirement news? My sources are World Airline Fleets News (WAFN) and Skyliner. But both don't show retirement news completely.


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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:23 pm

This is from SAA engineering section
The 747-200s are still in ops until the end of January 2004

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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Sat Oct 25, 2003 7:03 am

The status of SAA's B742's and SP's is as follows:

ZS-SAL: In service
ZS-SAM: In service
ZS-SAN: Back-up/spare aircraft (Will be going to Rand airport for SAA Museum Society in December)
ZS-SAO: Scrapped
ZS-SAP: Scrapped

ZS-SPC: Back-up/spare aircraft (went to Perth yesterday after sitting on the ground for about 2 months!)
ZS-SPE: In service, does JNB-BKK-JNB. (Last Scheduled service 29 Oct 2003)
 
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:49 am

My uncle flew one of the -200s from JoBerg to Heathrow last week, and apparently the crew made an announcement that it was one if its last flights, with the fleet being replaced by new A340s as the 742s were scrapped. My uncle wondered what the hell they were doing crossing Africa in a plane about to be made into beer cans.
 
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:50 pm

Hi Udo,
regarding your question about airliners scrapping info. I don´t have a single source here as there is none. Checking the excellent and monthly updated fleetslists on airlinerlist.com is helpful, and www.cactuswings gives infos about the graveyards in the US. Sometimes this forum as well.
 
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:42 pm

Re: ZS-SAN: Back-up/spare aircraft (Will be going to Rand airport for SAA Museum Society in December)

How ?? Can you land a B747 at Rand Airport ? Its tiny, isn't it ? That's going to be scary.
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:37 pm

Update on SP retirement

There will be a 747 SP operation locally Johannesburg George Johannesburg
on 23 November and return same day

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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:45 pm

Has SA ever operated a 74L into GRJ before ? I think their used to be AB3 flights to GRJ way back when, but a 747 of any kind must be a first.
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:48 pm

Hi!
During peak season the 747 has often flown into George including all
the 747 types.
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:49 pm

They must have made the terminal bigger then ! In my day (I'm SO old), it used to be tiny !
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:55 am

The George Airport terminal building is still tiny! The town will be hosting an international golf tournament the weekend of 23rd Nov so there are going to be many extra flights. Sounds like chaos!!

Check this out:

SUN 23NOV03 JOHANNESBURG/GEORGE
1 JNB GRJ 0555 0750 SA 803 J0 C0 Z0 Y0 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC#738 B
2 JNB GRJ 0605 0800 SA 805 J9 C8 Z8 Y9 M9 B9 K9 H9 S9 T9#738 B
3 JNB GRJ 1130 1325 SA 817 Y0 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC VC LC XC 738 B
4 JNB GRJ 1350 1545 @SA1507 Y9 M9 B9 K9 H9 S6 T3 V0 L0 XC CRJ B
5 JNB GRJ 1435 1630 SA 835 J9 C9 Z9 Y9 M9 B9 K9 H9 S9 T9#747 B
6 JNB GRJ 1500 1655 SA 815 J9 C9 Z7 Y9 M9 B9 K9 H9 S9 T9#738 B
7 JNB GRJ 1520 1715 SA 833 J9 C9 Z9 Y9 M9 B9 K9 H9 S9 T9#74L B
8 JNB GRJ 1905 2055 SA 831 J9 C9 Z0 Y9 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC#738 B

SUN 23NOV03 GEORGE /JOHANNESBURG 23/0000 23/2359 G*GAL
1 GRJ JNB 1020 1200 CE 507 D4 C4 Y4 MC LC SC H0 KC TC BC#737 C
2 GRJ JNB 1420 1615 SA 818 J3 C3 Z3 Y9 MC BC KC HC SC TC#738 B
3 GRJ JNB 1420 1615 @DL7816 C3 D3 I3 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 K0 L0#738*C
4 GRJ JNB 1615 1800 @SA1508 Y0 M0 B0 K0 HC S0 TC V0 L0 XC CRJ B
5 GRJ JNB 1700 1845 @MN 902 YC BC HC KC VC 732
6 GRJ JNB 1725 1920 SA 816 J9 CC ZC Y9 MC BC KC HC SC TC#738 B
7 GRJ JNB 1830 2015 CE 519 CX DX JX Y4 MC LC SC HC KC TC#737 C
8 GRJ JNB 1940 2135 SA 834 Y9 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC VC LC XC 74L B
9 GRJ JNB 2045 2240 SA 822 J0 C0 Z0 Y0 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC#738 B
10 GRJ JNB 2045 2240 SA 836 J0 C0 Z0 Y0 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC#747 B
11 GRJ JNB 2115 2310 SA 828 J0 C0 Z0 Y0 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC#738 B
12 GRJ JNB 2130 2325 SA 826 J9 C0 Z0 Y0 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC#738 B
13 GRJ JNB 2145 2340 SA 832 Y9 M0 B0 K0 HC SC TC VC LC XC 738

 
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RE: Status Of SAA B747SP And B742?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:02 am

Blimey - there won't be ramp space ! The poor check-in chickies are going to be run ragged.
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