PSA53
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WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:33 am

On the subject of a spotting a
Southwest aircraft at Denver,
what happen at SFO and why
did Southwest pull-out?

I heard it was to delays/on-time
problems.Was there something else?
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luv2fly
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RE: WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:34 am

No that was one of the main reasons. You have an airline that requires quick turns. Doing the quick turn just to sit on the run way for an hour defeats the purpose.
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PSA53
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RE: WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:45 am

Then it must have been so bad to
give up a market like SFO.I mean,
this was PSA main market and I didn't
hear any problems.I also weight the
fact that prehaps on-time records
may not have been kept or as
important as today.
But this is shocking,because SFO is a
primary market place and you would
think the city would turn this problem around
fast.


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luv2fly
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RE: WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:48 am

The city can not cnotrol factors like fog tho.
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RE: WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:11 am

The problem at SFO (and for that matter, the old DEN Stapleton) is that the main parallel runways in use are spaced too closely together. In visual conditions there issn't any problem, but if cloud ceilings and/or visibilities degrade to force the airport from visual approaches to full ILS approaches, that's when the problems develop. The runway centerlines must be at least 2,500 feet apart for parallel ILSes, and 4,300 feet for simultaneous ILSes. SFO's 28L and 28R are a mere 600-700 feet part, so when the weather came down the airport essentially went to a single runway operation, and the delays quickly ensue. The Bay-area weather doesn't have to be anywhere even close to the 200-1/2 ILS minimums to trigger any of this, a 2,500 foot ceiling and/or vis below 5 miles does it, and that's pretty common weather for them sometimes.





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PSA53
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RE: WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:13 am

I would say,if I were the CEO,
look at a businessman schedule
and fly all daytime and full time
in the summer.Just a thought.

Or weekends only.There has to
be hot button there somewhere
to adjust.

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PSA53
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RE: WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:52 pm

To OPNLguy:

Thanks for the info: I didn't see your message
until now because I went to watch Series.

I better understand the situation and
conditions.

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cloudy
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RE: WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:54 pm

Then it must have been so bad to
give up a market like SFO.I mean,
this was PSA main market and I didn't
hear any problems.I also weight the
fact that prehaps on-time records
may not have been kept or as
important as today.
But this is shocking,because SFO is a
primary market place and you would
think the city would turn this problem around
fast.
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WN has some patience for airports with problems. They often contribute their own money and time to get an airport's problems fixed when they have confidence in the long term situation. But if a city continually promisses to add capacity or reduce fees and never does it, they will leave. This happened to DEN, SFO and to an airport in Detroit.

They are nice but don't try to delay forever or mislead them, or they will leave. Or never enter a market in the first place.
 
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RE: WN/SFO, What Happen?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 6:53 pm

Plus, WN's operations in the Bay Area (SJC and OAK) have been slightly increased since their dropping of SFO. They're doing just fine there.
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