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BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:43 pm

From the Seattle Post-Intelligenceer http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/144883_air22.html

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CitationX
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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:27 pm

What a strange deal!

I wonder if BA would be able to make any money flying passengers/and or cargo on tanker-modified 767s when the RAF does not need them? The refueling mods, even in removable kit form, add weight and drag to the host planes, making them less efficient than non-tanker-modified 767s (or A330s, for that matter). At least my tax dollars won't be directly paying for this boon-doggle.

On a side note, it is surprising that EADS has not offered to take BA's (unique, RR-powered) 767 fleet in trade for a fleet of new A330s to close off Boeing's access to a potential 7E7 launch customer.
 
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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:23 am

The feeling within BA is very much against being a launch customer for any aircraft after teething problems with the 777 & that stems from management down.
The BA 767s are not that old - the first being delivered in 1989, later ones being much newer, so replacement in terms of age isn't yet an issue (look at how long BAs 747Classics lasted..). BAs CEO has also said within the company that whilst A380s are not likely to be part of an imminent order, they are likely to be on the future once the aircraft has been put into service & the same goes for the 7E7.
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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:56 am


I can actually see BA being one of the launch customers for the 7E7. The 767 despite being still a young fleet needs to be replaced, its got old well before its time. The BA market is growing and the 767 is to small for many markets but the 777 is too big. The 7E7 will fill that market. I do see BA remaining a Boeing customer for its longhaul fleet. The A380 i personally think is a long way off for BA. They will continue to operate a point to point operation and the 747 and 777 will provide the capacity and frequency that they can get maximum premium passengers from.
 
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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:44 am

There are certainly several routes that BA could use the 380 on right now where frequency is out of the question for one reason or another.However,as Edina points out,they are averse to launching a type again after the 772.
Regarding the 7E7,I don't see too many routes that it would be needed on.There are about 2 African routes it would be used on as one of the current 767 African routes is rumoured to be upgraded to 772(and it was about 2 years back.)Plus,the 767s on the Euro routes will be replaced by the 321s now on order.
 
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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:52 am

The 767 also does the MAN-JFK run, and a few trans-atlantic flights.

The 7E7 would fit neatly into these routes, where the 777 is maybe too big.

The A330 would also do a neat job on these routes. Could it be that BA will wait to see how Qantas get on with their A330 longhaulers when delivered, before making a decision?

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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:58 am

Hi,
very good chance that MAN-JFK will be shifted over to AA as both BA and AA can code-share on non-LHR(LGW too?)trans-atlantics.
I still think there are few routes that the 7E7 would be needed on.A more likely order,IMO,would be one for the 773(maybe ER)to replace some older 744s on North African runs with perhaps looking to replace some other routes like AA), Japan">NRT too with the ER although BA haven't exactly had a great relationship with the GE90.

 
bobrayner
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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:10 am

They will continue to operate a point to point operation

Err? If BA don't epitomise hub-and-spoke, who does?

I could see the 7E7 being a good 'fit' for BA, but there are plenty more airlines out there who would be more keen to get the first.

The refueling mods, even in removable kit form, add weight and drag to the host planes, making them less efficient than non-tanker-modified 767s (or A330s, for that matter).

Perhaps so; but there would still be takers if the lease isn't too expensive.

As far as tankers are concerned, Boeing are no longer on home territory so they won't get the deal by default. If the MOD is looking for home-made hardware, Airbus is in a better position; if the MOD are just looking for the lowest bidder, then... err... Airbus is still in a better position.

It's a very interesting proposition, though. Hey, why hasn't anybody offered the MOD some bargain deals on Land Rovers / Pinzgauers, in exchange for leasing them out as taxis / buses during peacetime?  Smile
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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:47 am

(LGW too?)

No, AA and BA may not codeshare ex-LGW either.


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As for the Tanker deal,
it would seem that EADS/Airbus would have to buy back the BA 763ERs (of which, the resale value of these particular aircraft is marginally less than horrid!) then shell out A332 & A332tanker; to be competitive with Boeing's offer.
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RE: BA Possible Launch Customer For 7E7?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:06 am

Isn't MAN-JFK now a 777 service? Certainly looked that way today; here's where my spotting prowess gets shot down in flames..........