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WHO Launched The 727?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:08 pm

After getting the idea from the "who launched the 767" I was curious to know who launched the 727?
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AJ
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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:14 pm

Hi Contrail, Eastern and United were joint first customers on November 30, 1960, and the first 727-100 entered service with Eastern Airlines on February 9, 1964, one year after it's first flight.
 
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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:21 pm

Yes, it was a joint EA-UA initial order for the 727-100. Eastern did the honors of the first renevue service, as 'AJ' pointed out. United received the first 727s built after flight testing were finished. The first 727 ship N7001U, I think, is in Boeing's Museum of Flight now. Lufthansa, BTW ordered & received the first -QC version. Regards.
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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:18 pm

Yep, Eastern and United launched the 727-100, with Eastern operating the type first. The 727-200 entered service with Northeast, I just loved that "Yellowbird" yellow and white paint job!

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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:36 pm

This discussion has gotten me thinking...and this may be a dumb question.

when a new model plane is released (ie the 727), is the original model designated the "-100" or does it only take on that designation after another, more advanced, model is in development or on the market?

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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:54 pm

So why does it say that ln 5 B727-022 10/29/63 N7004U (now in NATIONAL AIR & SPACE MUSEUM) was the first Boeing 727 in service March 1964???

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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:12 am

The B-727 never officially had a "-100" designation for the initial model. It was actually just a dash and the carrier's customer designation by Boeing.

So for example, EA's first 727s were designated as B-727-25 aircraft. The subsequent -200 stretch versions were B-727-225 or B-727-225A for the "Advanced" version.

Therefore, calling the initial 727s the "-100" series is inaccurate. People just assume they're a "-100" since the second version was the "-200" series.

By the way, you'll notice that Boeing has begun making all of their "baseline" models of new aircraft the "-200" version with all of their civilian models starting with the introduction of the B-757 and B-767 lines.
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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:21 am

N7004U was probably the first aircraft in service, while N7001U was the first produced. The prototypes of a type often continue test flying long after the first production models are delivered; for instance, Boeing finally handed over the first 777 to Cathay Pacific on Dec. 6, 2000, more than six years after it first flew.

Boeing tends to call the first member of a family the 7X7-200 if there is a possible future shrink that could take the -100 designation. For example, the 757-200, 767-200, and 777-200 are each the baseline model of their particular family, but Boeing proposed shorter versions of all three. The airlines didn't bite and the shrinks were never launched.

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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:02 pm

"...calling the initial 727s the '-100' series is inaccurate."

Well, EA CO AS, then Boeing does not know their planes like you do. On their website, the first version is referred to as the "-100 series" Check for yourself:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/727family/index.html
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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:57 pm

Boeing started referring to the original 727 as the -100 shortly after the -200 was announced in mid-1965. Officially (what's on the dataplate), most -100s are designated as 727-22, 727-30, 727-25C etc.

Now here is where it gets confusing. New -100s ordered after Boeing announced the -200 are officially designated as 727-1xx. For example, Pan Am ordered 727s for the Berlin IGS in early 1965 which were designated 727-21s. There was a later order for a few QCs which were designated as 727-121Cs Eastern's QCs, despite being built from late '66 to early '68, were still officially 727-25Cs (QC was a marketing designation) because they were ordered prior the original 727 being redesignated as the -100.

American ordered a few additional -100s along with their first -200 order. These are 727-123s. The bulk of AA's huge -100 fleet was ordered in the early '60s and were designated as 727-23s, including those from that order built after the -200 became available.


 
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RE: WHO Launched The 727?

Sat Oct 25, 2003 2:22 pm

N7004U was indeed the first 727 to enter service, on March 28, 1964 to be specific. And about 65 of the short bodied 727s were officially 727-1xxs. The rest were, as has been stated, 727-0xxs.
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