UN_B732
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ACA Route Map As LCC!

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:12 pm

http://www.atlanticcoast.com/NonFlash/for_investors_nf/102303acapresentation.pdf
Is shown in this presentation, but where is Burlington?
-UN
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:30 pm

Burlington Vermont? ACA already serves that airport as United Express.

 
UN_B732
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:45 pm

Wait..We are talking that this is the route map of WHEN THEY WILL BE A LOW COST CARRIER.
-UN
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:54 pm

Yes, I understand that. But I'm simply answering the question you asked above. Btw, you will notice that they are deserting Burlington by 2006, according to the route map.

 
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:00 pm

Isn't Burlington a Delta Connection route?

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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:25 pm

So does ACA's agreement with Delta also terminate when they go to the LCC model or are they going to continue operating the 328Jets as Delta Connection?

-Tony

PS-wouldn't that be somewhat competing with themselves? Especially through the CVG hub where I'm sure passengers would connect to other midwestern and western cities which is probably what ACA would want them to do out of their own IAD hub?
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:48 pm

November 2003 as a brand rollout date? Alrighty then. Some of their projections on 2006 are off, as they use 2002 info on the other LCCs. What like these guys are going to stop growing at their hubs as a result of ACA? OK, you guys need to lay off of the brown acid.
 
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:12 am

Man, I dunno..... everything through IAD. Works for people headed to/from the east coast, but what about the rest of us? Do we really need a second "Jet Blue?"

I'd like to see a LCC make a hub with a more central location like IND or STL.
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:16 am

Reading the presentation it looks as though they're really leaning on the high O&D numbers for DC to sell the idea. I imagine the real route map, should the project actually be born, will eventually have some extra routes independent of IAD. ie, maybe they're being a little bit conservative right now?
 
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Fri Oct 24, 2003 8:56 am

Interesting....

Its about time we saw some real "meat" to ACA's plan.
That presentation, typical of most of them, is filled with a lot of "well...duh" statements, that are pretty broad and spoken by every so-called "analyst" thats ever stepped foot in an airport.

A couple observations.....
-It would appear they will junk the Junkstream's when they become an LCC. All I could tell was they will fly CRJ's and a narrowbody aircraft. Not that losing those props is any real loss.
-I noticed my city, State College, is not on their route map anymore. I'm not surprised, none the least. When I worked for them, everyone was pretty much connecting through IAD to somewhere else, often to the West Coast on United. We couldn't fill the J-41's, there is no way they could fill CRJ's with reduced feed at IAD. I didn't notice but were any other current United Express cities dropped from the proposed route map???
- $79 average fares on RJ flights??? I don't know if that is realistic or not.....
 
UN_B732
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Fri Oct 24, 2003 9:14 am

Burlington VT (BTV) is dropped, and possibly Albany NY. Burlington is interesting, cause LOCO O&D service to IAD is viable..but then again. Most likely US Airways fits the bill for DCA O&D
-UN
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:50 pm

SFO, LAX, and DEN are up to be launched in 2004! This will be interesting to see when it is launched.
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:43 pm

Operating margins in excess of 14% ????
Absolute, pure fiction.
This will never happen.
 
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:14 am

The whole "bisness plan" of ACA as LCC flying CRJs is quite a fiction. I believe the will be bankrupt by the end of 2004.

United will have temporary problems but they'll fill the gap finally.

Daniel



 
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:45 am

Agreed, Greg... 14% margins while flying such a high percentage of CRJs themselves is a pipe dream if I ever saw one...
 
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:03 am

ACA's plan is very risky but it is not impossible. They will fly in some very competitive markets w/ LCC fares but they will undoubtedly also have some pretty decent revenue markets like BOS and ORD (maybe MDW). Also, RJ's have historically been thought of as not a good aircraft in low fare markets but several carriers (esp. DL) is using them in heavily leisure LCC markets. ex. DL recently announced additional RJ flights from RDU-Florida - proof apparently that RJ's can work in low fare markets.

The bigger threat to all of this is that United may lose IAD as a hub. There is no way IAD can remain a European gateway of the size it is now w/o all of the feed ACA gives them now. And as ACA moves into prime UA longhaul markets, UA's ability to compete will be even greater. The loss of ACA as an EXpress carrier isn't as big of an issue as gaining them as a competitor esp. since ACA ties up many gates UA will need for a new RJ operation.
 
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RE: ACA Route Map As LCC!

Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:16 am

Narrowbody service to SLC by 2006? Big grin

This could be interesting. I wonder whihc narrowbody aircraft ACA will choose? 737NG...or 757? I hope for the latter.

Unless.....Airbus....hope not, for the 757's sake.  Sad

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