ryder10uk
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Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:48 am

Does anyone know how much runway lengh a fully laden 767-300ER needs for safe takeoff????
 
nikibary
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:51 am

I dont know the answer but im sure it depends a lot on the weather
 
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:11 am

It really depends on the length of the flight, load of the aircraft, and the weather conditions.

For instance, I've been on a fully loaded Delta 767-300ER from MSY to ATL....all 252 seats occupied...but becuase the flight is only about an hour in length, and the fuel required is minimal, the aircraft used only around 4000ft. of runway. It was an extremely impressive takeoff to say the least.


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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:19 am

Just to give you an idea of how weather can affect the performance of an aircraft:

A fully laden B752 has difficulty taking off from YMX (12000ft runways) in very hot and humid days, where the temperature is around 35-40 Celsius and there is 80-100% humidity in the air! Obviously the colder and dryer it is, the less runway length airplanes need to takeoff.

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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 2:22 am

A fully laden B752 has difficulty taking off from YMX (12000ft runways) in very hot and humid days

I find that rather difficult to believe as we're a heck of a lot more hot n' humid down here, but often run/ran fully laden 752s and 753s to LAX/SFO/LAS/EWR/IAH off of a 6900' runway, with room to spare.....
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 2:36 am

"A fully laden B752 has difficulty taking off from YMX (12000ft runways) in very hot and humid days, where the temperature is around 35-40 Celsius and there is 80-100% humidity in the air! Obviously the colder and dryer it is, the less runway length airplanes need to takeoff."



 
ryder10uk
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 2:57 am

just normal conditions then could a fully fuelled pax and cargo 767 lift off from 7000ft???
 
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:42 am

I can't check the exact figure at the moment, but at MTOW in ISA conditions a B767-300ER with CF6-B7 engines would require a TODA in the region of 8500ft.

At MTOW - no chance off a 7000ft runway, you'll be tech stopping.

In the UK airfields like Cardiff (7848ft rwy), Newcastle (7641ft rwy), and Birmingham (8546ft rwy) are performance limiting for B767 long-haul operations, the latter obviously less so.

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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:50 am

you have a daily arrival and departure of a DAL 764 at LGA, as well as 763s and 762s. all are able to take off and land in less than 7000 feet--thats about as much runway as LGA can give.
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skymileman
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:52 am

I would bet good money that altitude is a major factor in the answer to that question.
 
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:55 am

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/acaps/7672sec3.pdf

See page 22 of the PDF. At MTOW, sea level, and ISA, a 767-300ER needs just shy of 9,000 feet of runway. At 2,000 feet altitude, that increases to about 10,500 feet.

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Thenoflyzone
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:22 am

The fact of the matter is that it happened in YMX, with a B752 headed to Europe, which used the entire runway to takeoff (12000ft). Now call it what you will, and believe it or not, but it happened!

Although there are so many factors that can explain that event:

-Not enough headwind during takeoff
-Too much tailwind component during takeoff (happens sometimes in YMX, since pilots prefer to takeoff from certains runways to save taxi time, and because the airport is so big!)
-Pilot judgement error
-Runway steepness
-Humidity
-Altitude of the airport
-Temperature
-TOW of the aircraft

And ConcordeBoy, a B757 or B767 that takesoff from 6900ft of runway during a hot n humid day, you can bet is not fully laden, that's for sure! Either that, or there had to be a strong headwind during takeoff!

As for you, LOT767-300ER, constructive criticism please!..If you have a clue what it means!

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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:27 am

I've seen AA 763ER's use close to 10,500 feet at DFW on the DFW-SCL route, it was August around 9 p.m.
It used a ton of runway, it was real cool.
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 10:58 am

Our runway here at GND is 9003. Condor uses their 763 from here to FRA. They use up about 7000ft of the runway on full flights. When their flights stop somewhere first, either TAB or POP, they use less cause they have less fuel on board.

The worst i have ever see was an L1011 for Air Transat. Fully laden non stop to YYZ. I thought the runway would have ended on it. (kidding) But it used up 85-90% of the runway.
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Thenoflyzone
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RE: Runway Length For Fully Laden 767

Sun Oct 26, 2003 10:23 pm

Funny you should mention that CaptainK..LOL

The event I am talking about at YMX occured with the same airline, Air Transat..hehe..altought it was a B757!

Maybe Air Transat exceed their MTOW's of their aircrafts...LOL

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