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Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:49 am

I knew that United had re-engined its DC8s (into 70 series) and continued flying them until the early 90s, but until recently didn't know that Delta had 70 series DC8s too! This is the most recent picture from Aug. 1988:


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When did Delta do the conversions, how many were converted, and how recently did they fly them? Did any end up as freigters? Airlinerlist.com only lists the the most recent owners.

Finally, did any other passenger airlines convert DC8s besides United and Delta?
 
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Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:59 am

I remember that Flying Tigers converted a few 63s into 73s...
TIA/Transamerica did that as well...
Some others operators coverted 61/63s into 71/73s...
At the time they acquired these airplanes - ONA, Emery, UPS...
Not too many 62s were converted to 72s... a few in France were.
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:09 pm

Delta also continued flying their DC-8 until the early 90´s.
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:15 pm

According to a Douglas Jetliners book I have, 110 Series 70 DC-8's were built in total, 44 at a Douglas plant in Tulsa, 48 by Delta Airlines, 9 by Air Canada and 9 by UTA in France. The first re-engined aircraft was returned to United in 1982 and the last plane was delivered in April 1986
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:36 pm

So Delta did their own conversions, but United had Douglas do theirs? Looks like Delta had more DC8s than United!
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:48 pm

Delta had 13 DC-8-61's that were converted at the Tech Center to Series 71's. The other aircraft converted by Delta were never owned, or operated by them.
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:40 pm

I thought UA's DC-8's flying LAX-OGG in 1991 were -62's ???
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:17 pm

Delta had 13 DC-8-61's that were converted at the Tech Center to Series 71's. The other aircraft converted by Delta were never owned, or operated by them.

Delta converted so many DC-8's because of a strike at Douglas (or Gammacorp....I can't remember).
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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RE: UA In 1991

Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:03 am

United didn't have any JT3D-powered DC-8s in 1991. I'm guessing all the -62s were gone by the early 1980s.
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:56 am

I think that the DL deal with the -71 conversions was that the first one or two were done by Gammacorp, and DL handeled the remaining aircraft inhouse as a cost saving measure. DL also did conversions for some other airlines. DL converted the aircraft to -71 standard in the early 1980s and flew the DC8 until the mid 1990s until finally replaced indirectly with 757s. With the introduction of the 1011 and 767 series aircraft, the DC8 in its later years did not fly many "glamorous" routes - the DC8s were based in Atlanta I believe and mainly flew short haul sectors were capacity was needed - routes like ATL to CHS, SAV and MSY come to mind.

My last ride on a DL DC-8-71 was in 1982 I believe, on a Boston to Fort Lauderdale "nite owl" flight - we sat in the last row (smoking back then) - and, I still remember thinking that this is a very, very long aircraft. Last winter I flew from EWR to FLL on CO's 757-300s and sat in the first row and looked back - it was deja vu, a very similiar feeling.
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:57 am

Most of Delta's DC-8-70 deries went on to UPS and are still flying today
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:01 am

While on the topic, didn't DL pick up a number of Eastern DC-8-61s second hand?
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:33 am

Delta only operated 13 Super 71s, all which were theirs from the beginning. United I think, operated some 28-30 Super 71s. Speaking of the -72 series, only a mere 7 were so converted. These are some of the longest-range aircraft around still. Regards.
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:50 am

So Delta flew them even later than United? When was the last Delta DC8 flight?
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:44 am

Delta flew its last DC-8 flight in early 1989, with N1300L is being the last to see service. Okay, I'm listing all known DC-8 Super 60s conversion here, for those who may be interested.

Air Canada = 6 DC-8-73s
Airlift Int'l = 1 DC-8-73
Alitalia = 1 DC-8-72
American Flyers = 2 DC-8-73s
ATAircraft One = 2 DC-8-73s
Capitol Air = 3 DC-8-73s
Delta = 13 DC-8-71s
Eastern = 1 DC-8-71 & 2 DC-8-73s
Finnair = 3 DC-8-72s
Flying Tigers = 15 DC-8-73s
Japan Airlines = 1 DC-8-71
KLM = 2 DC-8-73s
Saturn Airways = 2 DC-8-71s
Seaboard World = 8 DC-8-73s
Trans Carib Air = 3 DC-8-71s
Transamerica = 3 DC-8-71s & 6 DC-8-73s
United = 28 DC-8-71s & 3 DC-8-72s
Universal = 2 DC-8-71s
VIASA = 1 DC-8-73
World Airways = 1 DC-8-73

I hope I've got these numbers right using various sources. Keep in mind that some of these carriers went out of business before their conversions were completed. These Super 70s were then sold to other carriers. Regards.
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:25 pm

UA was the last US carrier to fly the DC-8-60/70 series. The last flight was as someone already pointed out, from OGG to the Mainland. United purchased all of their DC-8-61's (29 I believe) new except for N8177U which was a JAL ship, I think the one that was put into the Bay. UA lost one before it was converted when it ran out of fuel circling PDX. Delta bought 13 Series 61's from Douglas, and converted all of them. They never bought any used ones from anyone. When Delta sold their 13 aircraft off, it was to reduce the number of aircraft in the fleet. Those airplanes brought very good money. They were actually sold to UPS a few years before and then leased back before being turned over.
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:17 pm

Think UA's last DC-8 flight was from KOA, not OGG.

UA got 30 DC-8-61s new, lost the one at PDX and bought the one from JL.

The JL DC-8 that went into the Bay was a -62.
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:19 pm

Loved those United DC-8-71's....

Remember flying on them very frequently out of DEN many moons ago. Best memory was on a departure to ORD -- Captain came on and informed the pax that the aircraft had just been re-engined and this was his first time taking it out, he ended with the words, "Let's see what this thing can do." Brakes on, throttles forward -- once he released those brakes, it seemed as though we were off the ground without even rolling down that runway.

Taking them on the short hop between FLL and MIA, the HNL-DEN redeye.. (sigh)  Smile Good memories.

Give me an airline with a fleet of those and DC-10's and I'd be one happy man.

(pardon my reminiscing)..  Smile
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:10 pm

The last passenger DC-8 flights were charters operated by MGM Grand, which used 3 DC-8-62's. Their target market was to provide ultra first class service for entertainers and people with deep pockets.
They went out of business in the early 1990's.
The primary operator of the DC-8-72's is the Armee d'Aire, I don't know if they still have them but their initial use was to provide logistics support for the French nuclear tests in the South Pacific.
There are at least 2 DC-8-72's flown by private owners.
With the leading edge fuel tanks, the DC-8-72 can fly between any two cities in the world non-stop.
The UPS fleet includes 13 ex-Delta DC-8-71's, which, I guess, is all of Delta's fleet of that type.
I have flown on DC-8-21's, -33's, -61's, -62's, -63's, -71's and -73's. The -62 is my favorite; it could go high (FL 410), quick, long distance, and carry a good load.
I have provided structural and/or systems engineering support at various companies for the -60 series and the -70 series.
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:46 am

Broke,
I like your wording for the "logistics" flown by French AF in their DC8-72 from LBG to PPT ! Those were the days of "secret-défense" .
Having no need for this anymore (thank goodness) the A.Force now flies A310-300 instead.
By the way, they still have KC135 equipped with those same engines as on DC8's .
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:25 am

FlagshipAZ,

I assume those airlines mentioned is the original owners of the airframes converted, but as far as I know several carriers never operated any series 70 aircraft.

Finnair sold theirs to the French Air Force, and I have my doubts about Airlift International, Alitalia, Eastern, Japan Air Lines, KLM, Seaboard World and Viasa, even if this were the origin of those DC-8's.

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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:31 am

>The last passenger DC-8 flights were charters operated by MGM Grand, which used 3 DC-8-62's

Were these flights later than Air Marshall Island's "Little Amy" DC-8-62? The reason I'm so curious about DC8s is that I got to fly on Little Amy in 1996! It sure was loud, and weird because the cabin ended suddenly and there was no access to the pilots! This was a combi version. Too bad it stopped flying soon after and I had to take a 727-100 of Continental Mike to Majuro

Strange that the last pax operations were with the old gas-guzzler -62s rather than the upgraded ones.
 
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RE: Delta's DC8s And Pax 70 Series Conversions

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:00 am

Some clarification is needed on my list here. As Ljungdahl mentioned, these airframes converted were owned by their original users at one time. For example, the one DC-8-71 owned by JAL was purchased by UAL, then converted. Another such case is the 3 DC-8s owned by EAL at one time were converted by Emery Airfreight. And I believe the 3 ex-Finnair DC-8-72s went to the French Air Force. Sorry for any confusion, folks. Regards.
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