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New Lockheed Jetliner?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:22 pm

If this topic has come up before and you can link me to a thread, just let me know...

Is Lockheed/Martin going to go back into the commercial aviation business or are they out of the picture for good? I wouldn't mind seeing a new Lockheed jet...but...I don't think it will happen.
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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:53 pm


I doubt it. Although the Lockheed Tristar may have been an excellent plane in terms of technique, it didn't do so well from a financial point of view.

Today, airlines are seeking fleets composed out of planes from one, maybe two manufacturers, to save on maintenance costs. Also with aircraft from the same manufacturer, e.g., Airbus, mixed fleet flying is sweet deal. Don't forget that the entire aviation market is changing and the future is still under some haze.

I think that if Lockheed were to re-enter the commercial aviation market, they would have to bring out a whole range of aircraft, not just one. Unless, of course, they produce an airplane that everybody wants and is unique. Right now with a hawkish U.S. government the military industry is well off, and I'm sure Lockheed benefits from them. Aren't they producing the Cruise Missiles? Maybe they need to be restocked?

Just my $0.02.

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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:21 pm

I would absolutely LOVE to see Lockheed return. They have always been at the forefront of aviation technology, both military and civilian. The Tristar was, in some ways, 25 years ahead of the competition in some areas (such as fire retardant materials). Before that the Constellation and Electra were terrific aircraft (granted the Electra had an unusual problem at the beginning, but that was fixed).

But I am afraid that Lockheed got too badly burned with the Tristar, for a number of reasons, like dependance on a single engine supplier. 20 years after Tristar production has ceased, Lockheed really does not need civil airliner production.

But it would be sweet. And you can be pretty sure that, if they tried, it would not look much like today's stale offerings which all look alike.

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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:37 pm

Lockheed's Board has consistently said every year they have absolutely no intention of commercial aviation persuits. At one point, they even mentioned they have turned down subcontracting ventures (non-risksharing).

I think they are quite happy with the cost-plus contracts and overrun provisions given by the military and space programs.

I thought they actually produced some commercial components for a while..but I got confused with the old Convair.....

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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:48 pm

Considering how badly burned Lockheed was by the L1011 program I seriously doubt that you will see them re-enter the commercial aircraft market.
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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:46 am

Right! Turn the C5 into a commercial jet and the 380 would disappear from all discussion forums...
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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:01 am

With Lockheed Martin's $100Billion defense contracts, it woul be very unwise to take another crack at the airliner market.
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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:03 am

I hope that the L1011's are going to be rebuild again!

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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:20 am

A while back, there was some sketches on Lockheed's site about a "box-wing" double decker 600 seat airliner. I'm sure this will never happen though.
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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:21 am

More than likely, Lockheed may group up with another company while that other gets the glory. Case in point, Lockheed helped with the redesign of Concorde's visor setup from the original.
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RE: New Lockheed Jetliner?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:26 am

Given the cutthroat pricing for new transport airplanes, the glut of late model 2nd-hand airplanes, and the hyper-cyclical nature of the airline industry, I don't think that the airliner market looks very appealing to Lockheed.

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