AR385
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Hooters Air

Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:30 pm

I'd like people to share about Hooters Air:

1. Their views about their inflight experience on this airline.
2. What actually goes on in the plane with the women
3. From other FA's out there, what do you think? Is it demeaning for women or for the profession as a whole?

Thanks,

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RE: Hooters Air

Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:47 pm

From the Hooters Air site:

"Hooters Air offers Club Class service on its' specially configured 737s with dark blue leather seats and extra leg room on these routes. It will be staffed by a crew of two pilots, 3 flight attendants, along with 2 Hooters Girls on every flight. The Hooters Girls are provided by Hooters of America and provide additional Customer Service and onboard promotions"

I understand that the "additional Customer Service" is mainly hawking whatever promotions the Hooters chain is doing as well as helping out in meal service. So, it seems like any other LCC from that standpoint.

The joke is, however, that the Hooters Girls are also approved by the FAA as a flotation device in the case of water landings.  Big grin
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RE: Hooters Air

Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:55 pm

I used to work for them. Flown them twice...

1. The service, presentation and basically everything is classy, believe it or not. The service is much better than any other airline flying their routes. The pilots are top notch and professional. The food is what I would consider light breakfast or lunch type meals, pretty good actually and more than what you can expect on a similar flight on another airline. The seats I would say are very similar to what you would get on Jetblue or Song, but with much more legroom and adjustable head rests.

2. The Hooters girls are not the Flight Attendants. I thought it would be common knowledge by now, but either out of ignorance, or because some people just have a fantasy in their heads they even reality cant shake, this still seems to be a common misconception. There are three professionally trained flight attendants (trained by Delta last I checked) The FA's do everything you would expect, even the service. The girls do nothing. They greet you as you board, one at the top of the jetway and another at the aircraft door. They do the same for deplaning. During flight the basically don't do squat. Maybe do a trivia question for a prize of time and turbulence allow, but other than that, they stay out of sight.

While I was with the company, they said that the girls would be doing the service. The turned out not to be true. The girls are pretty much window dressing and get all the credit and attention while doing none of the work. But real flight attendants are used to that.  Big grin

3. It's not demeaning at all. There are real FA's on board, young and old, male and female. Its a pretty happy environment, as it's just about the only contract Pace has where people want to work and are treated right.

That being said, there are some huge problems. It seems like to me the people at Pace are over preoccupied with making the Hooters people happy that they ignore their other contracts. The people at Pace said that they would fill it with existing employees. All the Hooters FA's are new hires off the street. They wouldn't let and existing employees go after telling them how much better it would be. Try pulling that off at a major airline and see how long you're still flying.

The latest thing now is they've taken away seniority. There's no bidding, the flights are staffed by a monthly "lottery". So even if someone w/in Pace did go, and had been with the company for years and paid their dues (and believe me, if you work anywhere else in Pace you pay your dues big time) you still could have less senior people working better shifts than you. Pretty shitty if you ask me.

All in all, it's pretty cool to fly, anyone could enjoy it. If you can get hired on with them, go for it. Just don't look to have a bright future with Pace, and look to eventually get the shaft in some form or another.

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RE: Hooters Air

Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:07 pm

Never used it but also never thought that the local wings/beer joint I went to in Clearwater FL (the ORIGINAL one!) back in early 80's would ever have an airline! Or even become a chain THAT big! Of course, the other "local" eatery also became quite well known...Outback!
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RE: Hooters Air

Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:29 pm

NonRevKing

Thank you very much for your complete and insighthul answer. I'm not looking for a job with them. I'm reseraching possible subjects for my my PhD dissertation on Business Administration Ethics and one of those I'm researching is politically incorrect entrepreneurial ideas and how they might or might not thrive, and the reasons for each case.

Thanks, again
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:39 pm

"...During flight the basically don't do squat. Maybe do a trivia question for a prize of time and turbulence allow, but other than that, they stay out of sight."

I'd like to see the Hooters Girls during some light to moderate chop...  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Hooters Air

Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:47 pm

Tjwgrr,

Exactly the type of comments I wanted to avoid.
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:09 am

Ar385> I'm researching is politically incorrect entrepreneurial ideas

Ar385> Exactly the type of comments I wanted to avoid.

Come on Ar385, if your researching politically incorrect ideas, you’re going to receive politically incorrect posts.

Sounds like Tjwarr is precisely the kind of flyer Hooters Air is trying to attract.
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:13 am

"Tjwgrr, Exactly the type of comments I wanted to avoid."

Oh Golly! I guess I'm not politically correct......
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:18 am

I am surprised that Hooters Air doesn't serve Florida Airports yet since Clearwater is the orriginal Hooters (yes I been there too). You would think maybe they would fly into St. Petersburgh which is less than 5 miles away and to MCO, TPA and FLL or something.
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:21 am

Waly, Tjwrr:

If you took the time to read the concrete questions I posed at the beginning of the thread, then you'll realize your comments about boobs bobbing on air are not what this thread is about. I suggest you start your own Hooters air if you are looking for that type of responses.
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:51 am

There are several groups of Hooters franchisees. The majority of them in 43 states, and internationally are owned by Hooters of America (which is owned by Eastern Foods, makers of Naturally Fresh Salad Dressings), of which Robert Brooks is the CEO of. Hooters Air Inc. is his baby, and was behind the abortive bid for Vanguard, and the successful bid for Pace. The rest of the locations are owned by 15 different franchisees (which cover other regions of North America). Hooters Air will soon start flying into RSW from MYR.
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:00 am

"If you took the time to read the concrete questions I posed at the beginning of the thread, then you'll realize your comments about boobs bobbing on air are not what this thread is about. I suggest you start your own Hooters air if you are looking for that type of responses."
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Hmmm.. not a bad idea....

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Ar385- good luck conducting your research on a public forum which so far isn't controlled by a bunch of self-righteous PC types.

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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:31 am

NonRevKing:

Considering Hooters and Pace are both owned by Robert Brooks, it's not surprising the priority one is Hooters Air.

Ar385:

Politically Incorrect... Yes, they are. And I couldn't be happier about that. Political Correctness needs to DIE. It's one thing to be sensitive. It's another entirely to remove anything that might offend anyone (except White Men, of course)...

Wally:

Actually, I've seen people thrown out of Hooters for making those kinds of comments.

Tjwgrr:

Remember: When you make those comments, you're making them about someone's daughter, sister, friend, or mom. While I'm not for PC speech, I'm also for intellectual discourse, not "horny-boy suckysucky" discourse. There are more appropriate sites for that...
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:11 am

Elwood6451

I agree with you. Political Correctness needs to disappear. Unfortunately that is not the topic of my research. My research is whether businesses considered "politically incorrect" thrive or not. If they do why?, if they don´t why not?. My empirical evidence suggests people care a rat´s ass about political correctnes in A BUSINESS ENVIRONEMENT i.e. when they are making money. Witness the recent bruhahah about the ghettopoly game (and please people let´s not got there). I thought this would be an ideal forum to explore the particular case of Hooters Air, widely considered politically incorrect. But just as you read, everybody is entitled to their pre-puberty fantasy opinions.

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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:45 am

Ar385:

You're right. This should have been the perfect forum.

Perhaps if you contacted Hooters of America and Hooters Air, directly. Also look at Fuddruckers, a similar franchise.

I believe the reason some of the "politically incorrect" businesses thrive is because people are not politically incorrect. We make assumptions, prejudge, and stereotype. Political Correctness is counter to that, and so is unnatural. So when a business flaunts is anti-PC attitude, it attracts people who chaffe against all the rules.
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:51 am

I'm a mid-30s female. I wouldn't say Hooters Air is politically incorrect. The women who are part of it are willing participants, and if anyone thinks women don't use their sexuality to their advantage, they've got their head in the sand. Women have been using their sexuality since the dawn of time.

I define "politically incorrect" as something more openly discriminatory. Hooters Air (to my knowledge) is not discriminating any more than any other facet of society that values attractive people over plainer folk. I mean, if you're gonna call Hooters Air politically incorrect, you'd better call Hollywood the same.
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:20 am

NonRevKing:

Considering Hooters and Pace are both owned by Robert Brooks, it's not surprising the priority one is Hooters Air.


Yeah, I'm aware of that. The point is things got so bad at the other contracts that I feel it created poor working environments for current Pace employees (myself being one). I'm talking things that would cause strikes at other airlines. Whereas, new hires got to work far less for the same pay, sometimes doing overnights in LAS and the Caribbean and receiving nice bonuses. I even heard some rumors the current Pace FA's were told they were too old or too fat to work the Hooters flights, which I cant confirm, but wouldn't surprise me in my experience with them. Now, like you said, Robert Brooks owns all of Pace, not just the Hooters brand, so anything that happens is a reflection on him.

By the way, I'm also getting tired of the lame ass jokes that appear in every post about Hooters. I'm as far from PC as you can get, but at least come up with something original. It's almost as if you can count down the time to when the "Hooters girls can be used as a flotation device" joke appears. We've all heard it, and I honestly don't think it makes anyone laugh anymore. Posts that have nothing but that should be deleted, as they are totally irrelevant to the original post.

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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:30 am

I saw the Hooters Air girls Monday at EWR... I wasn't impressed.
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:39 am

Thanks all for your comments. This is turning to be a very insightful thread and of great help for me. Yes, even the puberts out there with their lame jokes. I hope this thread goes on for a lot longer. Now, I´d particularly like to hear about the women. How they feel about their image being used this way? I know I am drawing parallels here with National a couple decades ago when they introduces their DC-10. I know it was another time.

But anyway please feel free to keep writing. I´m getting great material and this is what I was hoping for.

Again, thanks

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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:08 am

There is a good article on Hooters Air in the current issue of Airliners and Airways had one on them in their May 2003 issue.
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:19 am

There is a good article on Hooters Air in the current issue of Airliners and Airways had one on them in their May 2003 issue.

The Airways one is the best, hands down.  Big grin

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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:04 am

Hey, I don't see anything wrong with Hooters Air...I don't think of it as demeaning.

I just wish someone would start up a "Chippendale's Air!"  Love

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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:27 am

Brian - are the Pace F/As unionized? I would be pretty shocked if a union would allow such actions to occur to its members.

Jeff
 
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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:33 am

Brian - are the Pace F/As unionized? I would be pretty shocked if a union would allow such actions to occur to its members.

Nope. Not sure if I'm for or against unions, but if any airline needed it, I think it would be Pace/Hooters. I remember telling some OA flight attendants about what goes on and all unanimously said "there's no way that would happen here".

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RE: Hooters Air

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:53 am

What does this mean Brian - SPOT THIS!? Just curious...

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