airxliban
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Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:09 am

Does anyone other than me feel a little bit upset that Alpha Golf is going to Barbados?

True, British Airways operated to Barbados with Concorde...but really, there are other places who deserve the honour of her presence more than Barbados. In any event, isn't the humidity down there bad for the plane?

I think it could be better appreciated somewhere other than BGI.

Any thoughts/comments?

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GDB
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:14 am

I sort of agree, however the Barbados Government has, with a millionaire, said they will display OAG undercover in a proper facility.
I doubt BA would have let them have OAG if they were not pretty sure this will happen.
BA will lease the Museum aircraft, having a big say in their future.
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:22 am

Should have been kept in the UK. very little of the UK taxpayers who paid for the development of the aicraft will ever go to BGI. Even those who do in search of the Sun will not be going to see Concorde, will they?

it should have went to Duxford or Manston, or flown to East fortune so G-BOAA could have went by road to Brooklands.

BA have got this all Wrong
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:30 am

So, where are the others going? Will those other sites selected be more deserving? I'm very curious.

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Alessandro
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:22 am

I think it´s because BA employees wanted to bum a last supersonic ride
to a sunny place.
Aren´t there enough Concordes on display in the UK....
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:41 am

AWspicious:

All you need to know is at

http://www.concordesst.com/retire/retirestatus.html

Cheers

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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:48 am

So far, only the UK Prototype and Pre-Production aircraft are on display here.
I agree that Manston would be better for the public who paid for it to see.
I suppose they are hopeful of people stopping over on cruise ships at Barbados coming to see a production Concorde.
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:00 am

Any chance Toronto would get 1 considering Sadexcluding partisan feeling)
1)hosted many Concorde charters over the years
2)would allow many more people to get to see her than BGI?
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:08 am

Well, gives me a chance to catch some rays when I go and see my baby.
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:17 am

Will the engines be removed when they are in museums? Or will they be in "start-up ready" mode?
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:56 am

I expect the engines will be removed, now trying to get ALL the fuel and hydraulic fliud out of a Concorde, that will be a challenge!
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:43 pm

I am very sorry for you who feel that BGI doesn't deserve a Concorde. THey were the only destination other than JFK that had scheduled Concorde service. THat is reason enough. This region of the world is popular with BA anyhow. I think BGI does deserve one. And even before it was retired the government of BGI, was in talks about having one on display in memory of her flights to BGI. The last flight was a great celebration of mix feelings with many celebs riding her into the sun one last time...

Good show for BGI
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:39 pm

I can't believe it's been four weeks since I saw OAG scream over my head on its last approach to YYZ. I've had very few sightings of a Concorde in flight over the years but one of the most memorable and unexpected was in Barbados. It was at the end of a cruise and while standing on the deck of the ship I heard a huge roar. I looked up to see a Concorde turning overhead on its approach to BGI. What a sight. Later, while waiting for my flight back to YYZ, I watched the same aircraft depart for its return flight to LHR. I think it is quite fitting for BGI to be a recipient of one of these unique aircraft.

 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:43 pm

I am very sorry for you who feel that BGI doesn't deserve a Concorde. THey were the only destination other than JFK that had scheduled Concorde service. THat is reason enough. This region of the world is popular with BA anyhow. I think BGI does deserve one. And even before it was retired the government of BGI, was in talks about having one on display in memory of her flights to BGI. The last flight was a great celebration of mix feelings with many celebs riding her into the sun one last time...

Off the top of my head, I can think of Washington, Miami, Rio de Janerio, Dakar, Bahrain, and Singapore than had scheduled Concorde service one time or another besides New York and Barbados..
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:21 pm

WHAT DO YOU MEAN OTHER PLACES DESERVE THE CONCORDE ABOVE BGI!!!!


Concorde will be the center piece of the improved Grantley Adams International Airport
Dont hate congratulate. A small island ,the number 1 developing country in the world is going to be the home of the civilian aircraft that was in a class by it self.


PS before we got the plane BA made sure that we would have the facillities to keep the plane in good condition.

As for those who want to come and see her.
Daily LGW to BGI via BA 772 along with a Sat LHR BGI 747
Daily LGW to BGI via VS 744
Mon, Thurs and Sat LHR to BGI via BWIA 343

Daily flights from JFK via BWIA Air Jamaica and American airlines
Daily flights from MIA via BWIA and American (which will increase them from 7 flights to 12)
Flight from Washington Dulles to BGI BWIA

Monday flight from Continetal Newark hub to BGI from dec 18th pending govt approval


Toronto to BGI both Air Canada and BWIA
Halifax and Montreal to BGI Air Canada
Mondays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays Philadelphia-Barbados US airways


So dont worry there is plenty airlift by which ALPHA GOLF can get nuff visitors along with sun sea and sand. I am also sure that when Queen Mary 2 comes here on her world tour her vistors will come and see ALPHA GOLF.

SO REMEMBER PEOPLE "BARBADOS JUST BEYOND YOUR IMAGINATION CALL YOU TRAVEL AGENT TODAY"




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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:54 pm

Well, in the case of my tourism dollars, if I ever book a vacation to an island for a little fun in the sun, Barbados gets my nod because of Alpha Golf residing there. I think it is fitting that they will get her since she was THE jet for the jet setters. Besides, Alpha Golf right now is the only Concorde I've seen up close from a charter she did to Omaha back in 1985 and it seems fitting that she will "retire" in the sun with a group that seems genuinely willing to take care of her. Surrounded by the excess of life on the island helps keep the memory of what Concorde was alive. Of course, I have this dream that it would be nice if nothing was stripped off the plane and she was kept in a climate controlled hangar, potentially able to move under her own power if she had her important systems well cared for. That probably won't happen, but I just hope the facility they plan for it is Hurricane proof at least.
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:37 pm

9V-SVE wrote:
Washington, Miami, Rio de Janerio, Dakar, Bahrain, and Singapore had scheduled Concorde service one time or another ...
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Except none of them ever made any money for long, if at all. Only New York and Barbados generated a sustained profit.

[Edited 2003-10-30 12:41:31]
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:45 pm

I feel that the aircraft should stay in the UK. Not because I think Barbados doesn't deserve one, just I think the people here should have more chance to see it. I know BGI has been good for Concorde over the years, but the place doesn't even have an aerospace museum!!
Also, I'm sure that BA are only sending them places where they believe they will be properly cared for, and BA will be instrumental in the upkeep and future of the aircraft, but lets say in 6 or 7 years it is apparent the aircraft is not receiving the TLC it needs/deserves. What are BA gonna do?? Fire it up and fly it back to LHR. I certainly think not?? Everyone's full of promises now....
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:47 pm

I think EMA could of had one because the engines for Concorde are from Derby and the city is the nearest to EMA making the airport Rolls Royce's home base, and they could of put it on display at the aeropark. It wont happen tho which sucks.
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:21 pm

Actually the Olympus being a military derived engine is made in Bristol, right across the road from Filton... and since they're going to get one anyway....

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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:30 pm

Does BA still own the Concordes even when there in the musuem?
Personally i would have liked to see OAG go to Duxford.
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:27 am

BA will lease them to museums, some of them did not like that, tough, plenty of others in the queue if they objected too much.
Finding homes was a fraught process, many places made claims that they had neither the funds or facilities to back up.
Some governments even got involved.
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:24 am

but lets say in 6 or 7 years it is apparent the aircraft is not receiving the TLC it needs/deserves. What are BA gonna do?? - exactly. Like I said in "G-BOAD to Intrepid" thread, Barbados might well deserve Concorde, but does Concorde deserve to be trapped in a tiny island with neither aviation history nor museum? In high humidity, ..., ...? BTW, wasn't AG the last one in scheduled service? And now - Barbados??!
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:34 am

this kinda of narrowminded thinking is nothing new to this forum. BGI has been a destination to the Concorde for so many years, WHY wouldn't it deserve to keep one. Barbados is referred to as Little England, and if the governments each agreed to let BGI kept one, well what's the problem? Only because BGI is an island in the Caribbean, that's why certain experts in this forum feel that it is a problem. I guess you can't get away from this small minded thinking anywhere.
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:44 am

"but does Concorde deserve to be trapped in a tiny island"

If put in a museum with more land mass around it, it wouldn't be trapped would it.

Please people, open your minds a little. BA decided that one of it's (Concorde's) popular destinations, will get a concorde for the memory of the service. Small minded opinions here doesn't really matter.
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 6:05 am

Barbados gets 1/2 a million tourists a year. Concorde will be well visited.
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RIX
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 6:59 am

"narrowminded thinking"/"small minded"/... sounds well educated and creative... not sure your arguments will work without it?

"WHY wouldn't it [Barbados] deserve to keep one" - I never said it doesn't (please, read it again). I said, Concorde doesn't deserve to be trapped in the middle of nowhere. Be it a Naval museum on an aircraft carrier deck or a very popular resort place on a tiny island with no aviation history/culture. "BA decided that one of it's (Concorde's) popular destinations, will get a concorde for the memory of the service" - all right, and I wrote to BA saying about the same as here. Their reply, BTW, was a bit different from "please people, open your minds".

"Barbados gets 1/2 a million tourists a year. Concorde will be well visited." - a good argument. But then it will be visited mostly as an exotic addition to all other different kinds of entertainment. Place it then in Las Vegas or Disneyland - they are the same (if not more) well visited. While its place is in a "regular" museum (not the one on a river, surrounded by noisy cramped neighborhood), among other historic airliners. They are its family, not fighters and bombers, nor a "well visited" beach, even in "Little England"...

Sorry if anyone feels hurt - that was not intended.

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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:13 am

"Barbados gets 1/2 a million tourists a year. Concorde will be well visited." - a good argument. But then it will be visited mostly as an exotic addition to all other different kinds of entertainment. Place it then in Las Vegas or Disneyland - they are the same (if not more) well visited."
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I can see the American point of view there but people in Las Vegas and Disneyland didn't fly Concorde. The UK residents of Barbados did. They are retiring their private commuter jet to their backyard and retirement home. BA's Rod and Colin almost certainly hang out there as well.
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:28 am

I think Air France should have sent one to the National Aviation Museum in Ottawa (Canada Aviation Museum). Although Concorde probably never flew to Ottawa, but, Ottawa is next door to Quebec... And Quebec is french, dammit! So, Ottawa should get am Air France Concorde!

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RIX
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:43 am

Voodoo, Las Vegas and Disneyland were for your "well visited" argument. "people in Las Vegas and Disneyland didn't fly Concorde. The UK residents of Barbados did. They are retiring their private commuter jet to their backyard and retirement home." - that's exactly what I'm saying: does Concorde deserve to be a "private commuter jet retired to a backyard"?

As for "I can see the American point of view there" - dear Voodoo, welcome to the club... It's not funny or amusing anymore but the club is still far from being closed... and I'm not going to add any comments to my profile!  Smile
 
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:08 am

BGI had been a very profitable destination for Concorde for many years and so it makes perfect sense for BA to retire one of the planes there. It will be well cared for and well-visited - alongside the many foreign visitors to Barbados never forget the residents of nearby islands (eg Trinidad, Grenada etc), many of who have family and friends in Barbados and visit frequently - Concorde would be a great attraction for them to see too.

BA has made a very wise choice in selecting BGI. Everybody would argue in favour of his or her hometown but, in the case of BGI, it certainly has a very strong case. I look forward to seeing G-BOAG there in the future.

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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:44 am

@9Y-ISA:

if this post was about small-minded thinking, it wouldn't have questioned the decision to begin with.

No one said that BGI doesn't deserve a Concorde. The whole point of this thread was to shed some light on the decision to send AG to barbados, to question if there were other destinations potentially more deserving of the honour of her presence.

It seems as though the two schools of thought amongst those who have responded are that either it should stay in the UK or that BGI is an appropriate retirement home.

Of course there are pros and cons to this, just like any other decision.

Let's not go around criticizing peoples' manner of thinking.
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 9:14 am


Look, Yes we may be small but outside of the US Barbados is the only route that concorde made money on and that is why concorde had service to the island for 21 years.

Why hate on Barbados because the Barbados government took the iniative to go to BA and ask for one of the concordes before others. Yes we may not have a big Air Musem but this is the perfect way to start.

Grantley Adams International Airport is the only airport outside Europe and USA that received "SCHEDULED SERVICE" from both the largest and fastest civillian aircraft for the past 21 years, which is quite a feat for and island that is only 166 square miles.

But dispite what you who think that we dont deserve it I will certainly rejoice when i take my pic next to the beautiful concorde when it arrives.
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RIX
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 9:19 am

"Everybody would argue in favour of his or her hometown " - funny, but I was against my hometown (NY) either Big grin... I've read on concordesst.com, though, that they are going to make a separate exhibit devoted to transatlantic traveling... well, may be it works this way... as for BGI - "Concorde would be a great attraction... to see" is exactly what is going to happen. An exotic toy in a big entertainment park! It simply doesn't belong there...

AirxLiban, thank you for your post...
 
airxliban
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:38 am

@BWIA772

please post that picture when you get it up.

and what are you planning on adding to the museum after the concorde?

Grantley Adams International Airport is the only airport outside Europe and USA that received "SCHEDULED SERVICE" from both the largest and fastest civillian aircraft for the past 21 years

by the way, the 747 doesn't only serve Europe and the USA.
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RIX
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RE: Concorde G-BOAG To Barbados

Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:13 pm

"747 doesn't only serve Europe and the USA" - yes, but he said "both largest and fastest", which can be replaced by just "fastest"...

"who think that we dont deserve it" - it's not you deserve it! It's it deserves to be in a proper place where it is safe for decades (great if BGI becomes one)! Or don't we, the NYC, "deserve it"?! But do we have proper facility for it? Hope, it will be created. Because the aircraft deserved it.

Anyway, the decision is made. Looks like Intrepid museum is going to be very different, getting outstanding commercial aviation exhibit. As for additions to museum in BGI - why not, if there is will and money... Barbados has been a great destination, why not to become a great aviation exhibit... it will take plenty of work and resources, but now you simply have no choice...  Smile