AATriple7
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INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:59 am

I live up in Milwaukee and I sure am getting sick of only seeing Midwest and Northwest Airlines when I go spotting. There is only one scheduled heavy coming into MKE(not counting freighters) and that is a NWA 753 from MSP. I was wondering if any International Airlines would ever consider coming to MKE. Your Thoughts


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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:05 am

Other than AC Jazz, which is there already, I'd say no. With ORD just down the road, I don't see how it could be profitable to run ops out of two locations.

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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:06 am

Well you guys already have AC and that's about all you can hope for in my mind. European flights are pretty much out of the question, SAN, MSY, and MCI are more attractive right now to the european carriers. Mexico flights would be a longshot but not as long as the european flights. Maybe with AeroMexico's new 73NG's you could get at the most like a 2x weekly CUN or MEX but I highly doubt it. It sucks being a small to midsized market doesn't it? Big thumbs up
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:08 am

I was wondering if any International Airlines would ever consider coming to MKE.

There have been constant rumors of China Airlines considering MKE as their next US gateway, but nothing concrete seems to have developed from it.
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:04 am

I had totally forgotten about that rumor, B747-437B. Along those same lines, have you heard anything about Air Madagascar possibly launching service to CLE?
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:13 am

What is the attraction of MSY as far as European carriers are concerned? I don't follow that... except for Mardi Gras, there just isn't that much there to attract a year-round European connection, is there? Just curious...
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:13 am

have you heard anything about Air Madagascar possibly launching service to CLE?

After the proposed codeshare with Continental fell through, I don't think CLE remains an attractive destination for them anymore.
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:52 am

I've heard Qantas is looking strongly at coming in, once more of the 744ERs come online.
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:58 am

LastBaron,
MSY is one of the top tourist destinations in the U. S. And seems to only get more popular! Theres a major convention or festival practically every month. Perhaps Steve in MSY can give more details.
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:16 am

I'll ask you all politely to quit mocking MKE. We are labled constantly as one of the most under-served market in the US mainly because YX and NWA are so strong here.

Anyways, I think Lufthansa used to serve MKE due to Milwaukee's strong German background. They don't serve us anymore however.

I wouldn't expect any other int'l airlines to come flocking into MKE except AC. I believe that we do have international flights to Mexico from charters such as FunJet.
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:23 am

Who is mocking MKE here? All I see are some very nice posts to this thread... no one is mocking the beer capital of the U.S. - but there cannot be that much demand, and that sadly is a fact of life. I live in BTV and that is not much of a destination either, Tekelberry...
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:25 am

What about Aeroflot to TUL?
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:32 am

Who is mocking MKE here? All I see are some very nice posts to this thread... no one is mocking the beer capital of the U.S. - but there cannot be that much demand, and that sadly is a fact of life. I live in BTV and that is not much of a destination either, Tekelberry...

I've heard Qantas is looking strongly at coming in, once more of the 744ERs come online.

There have been constant rumors of China Airlines considering MKE as their next US gateway, but nothing concrete seems to have developed from it.

Qantas? Air China? Do you actually think the posters are serious?
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:43 am

Yeah, guys there is no real reason to rip on MKE. The guy was just wondering if there was any prospects for international carriers. Big thumbs up
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:45 am

Oh well, my bad... sorry. It doesn't seem that outlandish, though, given that with codesharing, all sorts of the weirdest carrier pairings are happening these days - the monitors at SRQ last week looked positively worldly, even though it was only because of code-sharing with British, AeroMexico, etc...

Even MKE should have some international pairings on its monitors these days, shouldn't it? If it doesn't maybe MKE does deserve to be satirized a little. Of course, upon reflection, yes, Air China using MKE as a gateway does seem a little odd, now that you mention it... QANTAS, too...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:13 am

I think that LH could do pretty well here if they bring a 763 or 330. I don't think anyone was mocking MKE it is just that the airport here is a joke I was just in PHX and after see all the action there it almost isn't worth it to go spot at MKE simply because of the lack of variety all there is here is YX and NW, oh and maybe some ERJ`s that is it.


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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:22 am

Air China? Do you actually think the posters are serious?

Of course not. AIR CHINA would never fly to MKE.

I'm talking about CHINA AIRLINES.
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:30 am

Well, maybe WestJet or new Canadian LCC jetsgo, or possibly a seasonal Air Jamaica type with the A319 (do they even have them?), if not, the A320. What about AeroMexico's new 73Gs w/ winglets?
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:37 am

Well, short of calling the Ryanair charters operating for Funjet (Speaking of those charters, Mark Travel, parent company of Funjet Vacations is using Midwest to charter to PVR and CUN), I would sincerely doubt any service.

But, we did get an ANA charter for Harley-100! And, we've seen some occassional diversions, so if you really want to see international carriers, wait until ORD closes, grab your 28-300, sit on Howell Avenue and enjoy the show!
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:55 am

As far as MSY is concerned....

It is a very popular tourist/convention market. There are conventions going on weekly which bring in travellers from all around the world. The city is always ranked high for its dining, attractions, historical venues, and music scene. It's not just Mardi Gras, and anyone that knows anything about the city will tell you that. Don't listen to the negative opionions from others...they haven't a a clue! The city is constantly ranked in the "top 10 North American cities" list, and in the "top 15 in the world."

Being a large port city, there is a good deal of traffic to Europe. Many workers on the ocean-going freighters use MSY to fly back to their homes, which are mostly located in Europe and Eastern Europe. Also, the obvious connection between Louisiana and France...both culturally and economically....don't listen to JCS or whoever else, there is a strong connection here.

That being said, MSY has been ignored because of a lack of major business ties to European markets. Sure, some MSY-based companies (Tidewater,Freeport/McMoran,etc) have European offices, but not enough to really justify a direct flight....yet.

Overall, the demand is there from tourists and conventioneers to justify a twice-weekly, year-round service. It would not be any more low-yield than flights to MCO or LAS for instance.

Hope this helps a little.  Smile


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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:11 pm

New Orleans, such a neat and diverse city, underserved by the majority of the carriers there. Find it hard to believe that someone hasn't picked up the MEX service that TW had. It averaged like 83 pax on a terrible terrible flight time. They probably could handle some type of 3 or 4 times weekly service by LH or AF. I know they were under consideration when PDX got the flight along with SAN and I think my hometown airport, STL. They were spotted in STL 2 times! But it wouldnt bother me to see MSY get the flight instead of STL, they haven't had one for awhile and they probably could justify having one. Big thumbs up
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:42 pm

MKE is a great town, I use to work for a tour operator who did a MKE to FRA charter during the Summer. We used an ATA 757 that was non stop that had a possible fuel stop in Gander on the return if needed, it depended on the loads and weather conditions. The charters were run the Summer of 1992. We had decent loads tho the real reason is we got a great price on the aircraft because it was after the first gulf war. Also we were at that time based in MI so WI was a secondary market for us and we only did it for the one year.
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:52 pm

Lambertman, just a quick question for you....

What service would be better supported from STL: BA to London, AF to Paris, or LH to Frankfurt? I think any of the above could theoretically work, maybe 3-times per week. Surely, the population of the area alone justifies a nonstop to Europe, and that's not saying anything about the business connections!


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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:00 pm

I was just at MKE about 2 weeks ago. I was on an American Eagle ERJ and our plane taxied past what appeared to be their INTL terminal. Now being that LAX is my home airport, and just having arrived from ORD as a connection, the INTL terminal at MKE does leave a little something to be desired but with only one gate and all. But I understand that MKE is a small airport and only up the street from ORD where most INTL come and go. SAN is about the same distance from LAX as MKE is from ORD. SAN gets nowhere near the amount of INTL flights as does LAX.
 
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RE: INTL` Airlines To MKE?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:53 pm

MSY, AF to CDG would be a definite failure. For some reason STL's O/D to Paris is next to nil. It didn't even work with a huge number of connections thru the TW system. They had to operate it seasonally with a 762/3 to make it perform even reasonable. BA to LGW wouldnt be a failure with 3x a week 772, maybe it'll happen down the road if AA stays here and if an open skies agreement is signed. The one that I think that would actually work is LH to FRA, STL Post-Dispatch listed it above London for number one international destination from Lambert Field. It went FRA, LGW, SXM or CDG (not sure which is 3rd or 4th), FCO. I don't have the numbers on FRA O/D from Lambert. I do have it on STL-LGW, when u divide total pax per year by 365 days u get approx. 174 a day. So if FRA's is better it has to make me wonder what exactly is it? And why it is that TW never tapped into that market. I know they were going to, but still I think they would have started it earlier. Big thumbs up

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