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East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:30 am

Last year, I had to fly many times between the East and West Coast.

JFK SFO
IAD SFO
LAX MIA
MIA SFO

I was disappointed to fly single aisle plane on these flights. (I was not only traveling with B6).

In Europe, a same distance flight takes us to Africa or Middle east, so by consequence we are used to flying long haul planes.

Do you mind traveling on a single aisle plane between the two coasts.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:36 am

I think it's terrible but I'm used to it. It's standard practice here in the US. I commonly spend 6+ hrs in a narrow body. However, on certain city pairs (JFK-SFO/LAX) on UA, they consider it "Premium" transcon servce and you get an old 767. Not exactly a real long haul plane, but it's better!
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:36 am

Single aisle aircraft have been so common on such flights for so long (727, 757, etc) that I almost don't care at this point. There's still the occasional 76 and 77, and honestly, as long as the seat pitch is decent, I really don't care. I just want to get there.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:39 am

The preferences of an American business traveler are probably different from those in Europe. In the US, time is money -- probably more so than in most European countries, but not all -- so having several flight options is very important. In the 1970s and 80s, most of these routes would probably have 3-4 frequencies per day with DC-10s or 767s. Today, the high efficiency of the 757, 737NG, and A320 series has enabled airlines to offer two or three times as many flights throughout the day. The average business traveler cares more about this option than whether he flies on a narrow- or wide-body aircraft. It's just a difference in market preference.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:02 am

I would add that as long as comfort and inflight amenities are equal, I wouldn't really care which I flew on....
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:19 am

I don't know how I'd feel if I flew often like you do but my Continental 757 Newark to L.A. flight and back was just fine. I didn't mind a narrow-body at all for that trip. While I'd guess I get spoiled if I did it in a wide-body; I doubt I'd mind doing the single-aisle in the future. An advantage is having fewer people sitting to my side, crowded rows on a wide-body sometings unnerve me. But either configuration is fine for me.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:30 am

I think its terrible having all these single aisle planes flying from coast to coast. Its already so uncomfortable being cramped in any cabin for 4 or 5 hours but when its a single aisle plane, it makes it 10 times more worse.
Since there is only one aisle when they start to serve the meal, you can basically forget about going to the bathroom. At least on a two aisle airplane there are exit rows and one aisle does not get as congested and does not take the brunt of it all. I think the worst plane for this kind of trip is the B757 because its a long airplane with no exit rows except the front and rear of the economy cabin. I try to take A320 or A319 because its not as long in length so usually they can finish the meal service faster and vacate the aisles.
I think that's what amazes me about ANA and JAL's system of using widebodies for domestic flights in Japan, which may be only 1 hour flight time. Of course they have the passenger loads to account for that.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:34 am

I've done a few US transcons on Widebodies and a few on Narrowbodies - honestly, I tend to prefer the Narrowbodies on those: somehow, the little bit of service that you do get on those flights was always better on the smaller planes - I'm aware that this is a somewhat subjective view, but that's how my trips worked out...
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:41 am

If you are sitting in a window seat on 767, 777 etc, or you are sitting in a window seat on a 757, 737, A320 series etc, there is really no difference. Your pitch, width etc is the same, and you still have 2 people between you and the aisle. I think it is more psychological than anything as the physical reality is the same. 90% of passengers aren't aware, never mind care about what plane they are on as long as it is clean, feels maintained and feels safe.

Jeremy

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:44 am

Doesn't bother me at all. I've flown SEA-ATL on a 757 many times, and also on a 767. Makes no difference to me. I've flown SEA-EWR and SEA-IAH on 757s and 737s and really I think the most pleasant flight of those was on a Continental 737.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:50 am

Hey... I'm just glad I'm not DRIVING cross-country. I could care less what the airlines stick me in, a wide body would be nice, but if the airline makes a bigger profit of a smaller plane well, then they will obviously want to make a larger profit off that smaller plane, just as any business would. The airlines don't force anyone to fly them, you're more than welcome to drive your big, spacious, SUV San Francisco, to New York. However, I'd rather fly for 5 hours in a 757 than spend an X amount of days in my car. If you want more room, or better service on an airplane, then buy your own dang jet, or fly first class. If you can't afford it, stop whining and be grateful you're not driving... or worse, in a train, or even walking like you would have been doing only three or four generations ago. I've flown LAX to PHL and back in a 757 many times and I have no problem with it.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 6:23 am

Wow. I feel so sorry for those corporate executives who have to fly from Chicago to Moscow in a G-V. That must suck, since the only criteria for quality of flight is the size of a/c, right?  Smokin cool

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 6:42 am

I'm old enough to remember taking both the train and the overland bus long distances, and I remember the very first U.S. discount carriers flying DC-4s and DC-6s coast-to-coast. So to me, being able to fly from the Atlantic to the Pacific in just over five hours or from Washington DC to Alaska in under ten hours is still overwhelming. The type of jet used--single aisle or twin aisle--is irrelevant.

I wonder if anyone who's done Philadelphia-to-Los Angeles, New York/Idlewild-to-Seattle, or Baltimore/Friendship-to-San Francisco in a piston-powered aircraft would decline to fly because the jet was a narrowbody, because the inflight movies were not award winners, or because the champagne served was domestic or of the wrong vintage?

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 6:49 am

I've done a red-eye LAS-CLT on a 757 (US Airways flight 606, if you were wondering), and the only part that was miserable was the fact that I couldn't sleep...being on a narrowbody was fine...having a row to myself (practically a plane to myself) on the CLT-EWR leg more than made up for that though
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:11 am

If you are sitting in a window seat on 767, 777 etc, or you are sitting in a window seat on a 757, 737, A320 series etc, there is really no difference. Your pitch, width etc is the same, and you still have 2 people between you and the aisle.

Actually, this is not accurate. The 767 configuration is 2-3-2, so when you're at a window seat you only have one person between you and the aisle. That's also true of the 777, at least on Delta, where the 777s are 2-5-2.

As a result, I feel much less cramped in a window on the 767 or 777 than I would in the narrowbody models.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:23 am

Some of the best flights I've had are EWR-LAX, EWR-SFO, EWR-IAH-SEA on 757s, 737-800s.

" commonly spend 6+ hrs in a narrow body."

Newark-LAX is about 5 1/2 hours, this Summer I flew EWR-LAX on a CO 757 and made it there (the pilot mentioned favorable winds) in about 5 hours (perhaps 5-10 minutes short of 5 hours!).

CO's 737-800s, 737-900s and 757s feature the mid-cabin lavatories, the 757 is really perfectly suited for trans-Cons. The 737NG and A320s are also suited for trans-cons to smaller markets, Long Beach, San Diego, Orange County etc..

Also keep in mind , when you compare a 5-6 hour flight from the US East Coast-West coast consider the huge amount of competition and routings/connections available.

Where in Europe they do not have that much competition on long routes, plus they are still funneling passengers through hubs like FRA, AMS, CDG etc to get to place like North Africa.

In the US you can fly from Charlotte NC to San Francisco, or Hartford to Las Vegas.

Apples and Oranges, the European airlines are about 10 years (or more) behind US Carriers due to their later de-regulation experiece.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:30 am

The preference for American travelers and thus the airlines, is to offer greater frequencies on routes. I like the fact that I can fly at almost any time of day from city to city. So, they fill several smaller, single aisle planes several times a day rather than load up the big ones at less frequency.

Wide bodies, smide bodies. As long as I get there when I want, I'm happy.

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:41 am

Allow me to pose a question. On long-haul flights, why does it matter if the aircraft is a widebody or narrowbody? To me, seat pitch and in-flight service takes precedence.

I fly from the East Coast to West Coast and back a few times a year. I've done various routes (for a few examples but by far from being all of them: EWR-PHX HP A320, PHL-LAX 752 (several times), PHL-PHX/LAS HP A320/A319 (cant count how many times I've done that on two hands), PHL-SLC DL 738, SAN-CVG 752, and MANY MANY more) And this December 24th I'll be doing PHL-SAN on an A321.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:45 am

DeltaMD11

I agree with you! It should be the level of service offered, seat pitch and entertainment over the wide body or narrow body plane.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:46 am

Allow me to pose a question. On long-haul flights, why does it matter if the aircraft is a widebody or narrowbody? To me, seat pitch and in-flight service takes precedence.

If I'm in a premium cabin, I don't mind what the aircraft type is.
I don't mind narrow body or widebody on length of flight, as long as it isn't a B757, which I dislike even on short flights and try to avoid if the flight is full.
My last transcon flight as a redeye (LAX-MIA) a couple of weeks ago on a B757 in the exit row. Flight was only a third full so space wasn't an option. I think on completely full flights, a widebody has the illusion of more space and the load isn't as much of a factor in perception.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:50 am

I've flown in a narrow body aircraft on every E-W coast trip I've been on and it doesn't bother me a bit. Those were...

B737NG
A320
MD-80
A319
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:53 am

I have flown on a 757-200 from LAX-MCO and I really liked it. I do not mind if the plane is a single asile or double asile.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:53 am

It all has to do with frquencies when it comes down do it, It is looked more favourable to have several services on a 737 than only a couple of services a day on a larger plane eg 763,A330,777 or 747 for instance. That is what it comes down to in Australia on sevices ex Perth to East coast ports MEL,BNE and soon to be CBR, to Sydney they use the A332 mostly.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:56 am

In the end, it really doesn't make a difference...
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:02 am

Pate,
Well said.

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:39 am

I've flown CO SAN-EWR many times aboard their 737s, as well as SAN-IAD on a UA 757, and not to mention LAX-many different east coast cities on narrow-bodies and I dont mind. I dont see the big deal.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:46 am


Doesn't cross my mind. It's all the same. People should be considerate and wait until cabin service has completed before getting up from their seat.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:55 am

ATA just started using its 737-800 and 757-300 from EWR-SFO with 175 and 247 seats respectively. Sure that it is tight on a 737.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:59 am

2-5-2 on the delta 777 would make me prefer to fly narrow body than be stuck in the middle of that. Most 777 operators use 3-3-3

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:00 am

ATA just started using its 737-800 and 757-300 from EWR-SFO with 175 and 247 seats respectively. Sure that it is tight on a 737.

Yeah, but most of TZ's pax found out about their service at their local Wal-Mart, Aldi Food Store, gun show, flea market, etc. and probably don't know about widebodies, so it really doesn't make a difference to them...

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:27 am

Try flying Sprit from DTW-LAX in a MD80. However I still got there, since NW was full.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:54 pm

Wow! I am old.

The only nonstop transcontinental flights I've been on have been DC-8s and 707s. I ahve flown long haul on widebodies, 747s and 767s, but the in flight service was self serve. The longest commercial widebody flight I've ever been on was PHX-JFK and return. The 707 flight in the 1970s was much better. Damn, I miss the old TWA.

Oh, I forgot, I prefer narrowbodies.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:56 pm

Narrow-body or wide-body, it makes no difference to me whatsoever.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 1:00 pm

I think its terrible having all these single aisle planes flying from coast to coast.

Yes, the airlines should fly more widebodies, and lose more money!!!

I've ridden on such few widebodies, that I'm just accustomed to narrow-body service. It's an airplane, designed to get from point A to point B. Most people don't know the diff between a 767 and a 757 anyways, except for us goofballs on forums like Anet.  Big grin
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 1:10 pm

I only experienced a transcon trips on narrowbodies (PHX-JFK HP A319, JFK-LAS HP 757) but I didn't really mind it. But then again I never flew a widebody across the US....
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:07 pm

I like widebodies because it has the image of more space, and the takeoff is better. I don't mind narrowbodies except over large bodies of water.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:46 pm

Actually, there has been some inaccuracy here.

I just flew a DL 777 FRA-CVG, and it was 3+3+3. In 2000 I had flown a CO 777 which was 2+5+2, and I must say that the 3+3+3 was somewhat more spacious. Of course, I've always found flying in Coach on the 777 to be rather dull, true, the luggage bins are elegantly shaped, but the grey tones tend to be oppressive...

DL still has a few transcontinental 767 services. I flew a DL 767 LAX-JFK recently and it was excellent. I strongly reccommend Delta for LAX-JFK service, as DL's terminal at LAX is one of the most luxurious in the world (it's called the Oasis Terminal and lives up to the name) and in New York City they occupy the former Pan Am Worldport. That flight was a great experience, and the 767 was a beautiful aircraft to fly in....

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:28 pm

if you have a problem with coast to coast narrowbodies...how do you like Continental 757's operating Newark-Geneva (scheduled for a 767, but there have been 757's doing it on some days).

honeslty though it doesn't make much difference. the seat is the same.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 6:31 pm

I flew on Delta from JFK-LAS on a 757-200 and I also flew on Delta from PHX-ATL on a 767-300 and both planes were comfortable to me. I didn't feel cramped on the 757.

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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:19 pm

I can not tell you the number of times I have caught a ride in a single aisle aircraft flying over three hours, and I have never felt cramped (except for the one time a few years ago I was in the third to the last row next to the window and once the aircraft B727 came to a complete stop, it seemed like an hour before I could stand up and move around). I have not flown on too many wide bodies, a few L10s, DC10s, but that is about it and it really does not matter what equipment I ride in as long as the aircraft gets there!!!!
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:03 pm

I've flown trans-con on 767s, A321s, 73Gs, and on connecting trans-con routes on DC-9s, MD-80s, 732s, and various other aircraft.

From what I can tell, there's very little difference. What really makes the flight a good one or a bad one is the service. CO, IMHO, is the best service out there on a transcontinental flight in coach. I'll make every effort to fly them in the future...
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:09 am

Yeah, but most of TZ's pax found out about their service at their local Wal-Mart, Aldi Food Store, gun show, flea market, etc. and probably don't know about widebodies, so it really doesn't make a difference to them...


Where do you think that other airlines get their customers? Who care where they are from anyway money is money. Great that the majors may fly a wide body but you pay for it in the price of the ticket. Don't be a hater anyway, those flights are doing very well.
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:34 am

It's more about comfort of the airplane/airline than it is the size of plane. However, I have noticed that widebody airplanes seem far more comfortable to me than narrowbodies, specifically the 757. I find the 757 incredibly uncomfortable in coach. In contrast, I find the 767/777 very comfortable in coach. Just perception I guess...
 
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sun Nov 02, 2003 3:12 am

I'd fly a 757 from Charlotte to LA, but the smallest from Miami to Seattle would be a 767!!!.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sun Nov 02, 2003 3:53 am

Most people don't know the diff between a 767 and a 757 anyways, except for us goofballs on forums like Anet....

Some people don't even know what airline they are taking! Recently a cousin of mine flew ORD-LAS and when I asked her what type of aircraft she was on here is what the conversation went like...

Me: Glad you enjoyed your trip, what kind of aircraft did you take?

Cousin: I didn't look.

Me: Didn't you look at the safety card?

Cousin: No, I only look at those if I hear strange noises.

Me: What airline was it?

Cousin: I don't know, my husband takes care of those things!

How do I disavow any relation to these people?
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Personally, I prefer wide bodies, it seems like there is more room to move about. The air seems rather stuffy in a 757 to boot.
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RE: East Coast To W. Coast In A Single Aisle Plane

Sun Nov 02, 2003 6:13 am

I remember back in 93 or 94 AA used to fly an M11 on the SJC-BOS route and at points off and on in the past year they'd use the 767 on the JFK-SJC route...now its only 757's. I've would to fly on a 767 or even a 777. Only widebody i've been on is a UA 744.
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