ManchesterMAN
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Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:40 pm

Anyone know anything about Britannia Express (low cost subsidary of Britannia Airways) due to start ops next spring - particulalry where they will be based, what routes they will fly and with what aircraft?
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Eldoylio
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:45 pm

I should imagine they would be based at LTN as this is near their ops centre.

Although there could be strategically better locations to start up a new 'low cost' airline.
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Capital146
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 12:54 am

My first thought was, how can you have a 'low cost' version of Britannia Airways? They are already low cost with them being a charter carrier.

Am I correct in thinking the difference is that Britannia Express plan to be a scheduled operator? (Sorry for the ignorance, just this is the first I've heard of this news).

Maybe MAN would be a favourite target as LTN is already very well served by LCC's and MAN has very few routes by LCC's considering the airport's size and catchment area (with FR, WW and possibly also consider ZB).

By setting up at MAN they may look to pinch some business from EZY at LPL
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Eldoylio
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:19 am

MAN Would be a good base for such a carrier to start up. There is not as much competition for LCC business as their is at other airfields.

However, after some more serious thought I should imagine that either BHX or EMA would be more likely, EMA especially.

Even though there is noticeable presence of other LCC's (MyTravel Lite, Easyjet and BMI Baby) both airports have large catchment areas and already serve numerous charter and schedule destinations that would often be associated with low cost routes. It could be feasible to assume another carrier could obtain some of the low cost market at these locations.

But then again we could be completely surprised with something completely obscure that no one had expected! Humberside to Geneva perhaps!!!!! LOL
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:31 am

Eldoylio,
Humberside would be a dream!!!! LOL
I am actually moving home in the next couple of weeks from LBA/MAN territory to Hull. Now that my move has been confirmed I realise just how limited the choice is from Humberside, particularly scheduled flights (choose either Amsterdam or Aberdeen!)
I have recently thought how FR could maybe start a service to DUB, but if Britannia Express shocked us all and chose Humberside they would probably go out of business within a year but I would love them forever! I need my LCC fix from a nearby airport! I have become used to having choice over recent years with LPL, MAN and LBA. I think I should start a crusade for more services from HUY!
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:33 am

"My first thought was, how can you have a 'low cost' version of Britannia Airways? They are already low cost with them being a charter carrier."

MyTravel - MyTravel Lite Big grin

I hope to see them start up at Gatwick, but i suppose that's being a bit biased Big grin. I'd say probably somewhere in the Midlands or up north.

-Stephen
 
ManchesterMAN
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:35 am

Capital146,

Although BY are a charter operator they are not "low cost" as they still have things like inflight meals (they were free last time I flew them 2 yrs back) and Inflight entertainment etc. etc. they will be a low cost carrier in the same way that mytravel started mytravellite, or from recent experience mytravelsh*te  Big grin

I was thinking that as Britannia are part of TUI along with HapagLloyd (who have HapagLloyd Express) that they may operate in a similar way to them i.e. 737-700, nice seats, IFE, low fares. But maybe not. Actually B738 most likely as they already have some of these.
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:39 am

I would like to see them use maybe NCL or MME on some of the routes not being used by EZY or WW. Maybe a 737-800 with wimglets, or maybe without if they use short sectors.

Destinations like AGP, PMI, ACE of course and TFS
 
Capital146
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:43 am

ManchesterMAN,
After a personal, recent MyTravel Airways horror experience, if MyTravelLite didn't already exist then the thought of a 'low cost' MyTravel Airways would be just too awful to bear! LOL.
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Eldoylio
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:45 am

Capital146 - A crusade for LCC's from HUY. Now that would be an eye opener, and one that I would certainly join you on.

Come to think of it, are there not plans in the pipeline for the conversion of Doncaster's military airfield into a commercial operation. Perhaps if there is the interest in the area then expansion of the services offered from HUY could be a possibility.

Or perhaps once again this could just be a pipe dream.
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:53 am

Eldoylio,
Yes, the airfield near Doncaster you refer to is Finningley which is an ex-RAF base. My personal opinion is that there is no need for this to be developed into a commercial airport (even though it has a much longer runway that HUY or LBA and EMA for that matter). There are enough commercial airports already in the catchment area which can adequately serve the North Midlands, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire etc with MAN being the main long haul airport for the north of England.
In any case I hear that Finningley would like to focus on charter and especially LCC's (which do not need very long runways) so lets get a LCC into Humberside instead!!
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:29 am

Capital146,

What can I say, but you have summed up what I think the majority of people would agree with.

I know that Eastern already have a number of services based in HUY, and now that they are getting brave and expanding their own network (BHX-INV) maybe they could increase their services from HUY.

Infact, add a little FR and some BY-Xpress into the mix, throw in some common routes, a pinch of the obscure and underserviced (WIC) allow to simmer gently over the local catchment area for about 18 months and voila!!! a new lo cost regional airport with good growth prospects.

Surely their must be freight benefits for Cargo operators in the area. Immingham docks are just down the road.

definitely time to start a lobby group!
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 5:58 am

Those interested in debating (or promoting  Big grin) Humberside there is another thread on the issue http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1246718/ will be very interesting to see what happens in the area.

I guess BY Express is a relatively new concept and nobody really knows what they will end up doing route/aircraft wise at this early stage. I hope wherever they operate from they throw in some "business" routes rather than the typical Spanish destinations that others operate. MAN-BRU and CDG would be good Big grin
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Eldoylio
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:03 am

ManchesterMAN,

Many thanks for pointing this thread out, but as it happens it was myself who started that thread as a result the comments in this topic.

Business routes would be good, perhaps Brittania express could even look at low cost operations on further routes, Chicago or Washington perhaps!

Just a thought!
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:39 am

The obvious choice has to be GLA. BY are already hear. BIG catchmeant area not much presence from heavy weight LCC EZY and FR are 40 miles down the road in potato land aka ayrshire. Get a nice chunk of the edinburgh executives route development fund and also GLA personal development fund and your talking maybe ??20 million up for grabs between both funds. Big demand for flights also and BAA have started slashing landing fees etc EG. Globespan, US Air and EK all getting sweetdeals now. So that eliminates the reason MTL dint set up base.
 
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 12:54 am

bmi330,

GLA is too expensive to fly into really due to BAA running the show. Get rid of them and then things may look up. I read on Pprune that CVT is a poss along with EMA. IMHO LTN is too underserved by mainstream carriers and another LCC would be too much competition. HLX have struggled their so i doubt they will go there.

Regarding your statement about BY already being at GLA, Bmi330, can you tell me somewhere that BY arent??? And please dont be picky.

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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:12 am

CVT?

I know there have been rumours about passenger ops starting up from there with an LCC, but would BY want to invest such a new development.

My feelings are that they will choose a base with already experieced passenger handling agents.
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:34 am

BY expess is to start up from either conventy or cambridge using 2 757. The new start up will be totally independent of BAL and will be apprently run by either TUI uk or TUI europe. This came from a member of BY.
 
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:47 am

what equipment would they use ????the 757 song 2???? i dont thik so theyd never fill them???
 
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:58 am

From what I've heard Britannia have been advertising for direct entry captains and FO's on the 737 lately, so I would guess the 737 will be their equipment of choice.

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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:18 am

Rumour has it that they will be settin base up at CWL initially
 
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:27 am

Watch out for Glasgow Prestwick  Big grin
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:15 am

Don't think BY fly from pik I mite be wrong. I know I was stating the obvious use LOL but not as if we will get it and I know its baa's fault already.

GKIRK why would the want to fly into spud land (ayrshire) there all loopy LOL. Ok they are making the GLA to PIK road all motorway witch would make it a good place to go but there up against FR and the only reason that roads being up graded is so we can get home to GLA faster LOL.
 
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 6:33 pm

Bmi330: Glasgow Prestwick, the real International Airport for Scotland  Big grin
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:25 am

If its anything like BY seat-only service eg. LTN-PMI, then don't bother - aircraft are old and very cramped (very !), ground handling and customer service are abysmal - if BY Express is anything like the mainline "offering", then they deserve to go out of business.
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 6:59 pm

Britannia are advertising for 737 pilots to operate from a base 'in the Heart of England'. This suggests it will be Birmingham, East Midlands or Coventry.
 
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RE: Britannia Express - Any Info?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:22 pm

East Midlands just because of the training centre for BY being their.

Prob wishful thinking.

Regards

Stu