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Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:28 am

Anyone know of approaches that are usually very turbulent for whatever reason? I know MIA to be rather turbulent before landing...often because of afternoon T-storms and because of the sea-winds that come from the ocean. Innsbruck, in Austria is another place i've heard can have rough approaches as the winds in the narrow valley where it is located can sometimes make it extremely difficult to land there.

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Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:46 am

Anecdotally, ATL seems consistently turbulent. I did hear from a pilot once that it's true...something to do with the air currents or something. Anyway, it's almost always bumpy, even in good weather.
 
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Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:59 am

In Europe I recognized that you often have turbulent landings in Vienna. I think it is due to its geographic location with heavy winds through the plain.
 
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Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:20 am

DEN for SURE! I've never had a smooth approach into that airport. Usually bouncing all over the place. Reno, NV is pretty bad as well. All this due to the Rockies.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:45 am

Yes, definitely MIA and VIE. I ve experienced turbulent approaches chronically in those two. Also MIA has thunderstorms very often in the afternoons, delaying a lot of take offs and landings.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:53 am

Always COS! Kinda hard not to get sick when flying in there..

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 12:12 pm

COS is probably because of the terrain in the area, and the wind and whatnot coming up off of them, and ATL might be because of the heat and humidity, because hot air is generally less stable than cool air.
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 12:14 pm

DEN, been in and out of there 4 times, all were the most turbulent approaches I've ever had.
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 12:44 pm

NRT is usually very turbulent due to strong winds and bad weather, for that same reason SFO could be bad at times.
 
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Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:25 pm

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Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:41 pm

Stewboy, Vegas is a prime example, it is almost always hot, and has many mountains in the area, a perfect combination for turbulence. The hot air rising plus the wind coming up off the mountains create turbulence going into LAS.
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 9:23 pm

I´ve landed at ATL about 30 times during the last 4 years and I have never had a smooth approach. It´s always a bumpy ride and sometimes quite scary for many people. I once saw a Delta MD-11 coming from Rome that had to go around in the last moment due to bad allignment with the runway due to strong winds. Everyone onboard my aircraft (Delta 767-300ER just landed inbound from Madrid) thought that the MD-11´s right wing was going to hit the runway.
Anyway...even though they have always been bumpy approaches I have never had a problem.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 9:32 pm

Barbados in the thunderstorms was horrible. But thats in thunder and doesn't happen very often there

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Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:03 pm

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:11 pm

How about Ushuaia, southern Argentine? When I was there in 1997 all day it was very very windy and I think there must some bigger turbulence in the air all the time.
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:21 pm

After watching that movie PW100 posted, Wellington NZ gets my vote. I thought that last plane was going to snaps its landing gear it hit so hard.
 
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Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:26 pm

DEN for sure! It's always turbulent, and always fun!

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:25 pm

RNO - It seems like downwind and base for 16 L are directly (or very near) over a range of mountains. Can be bumpy, bumpy, bumpy.
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:46 pm

Altenrhein, Switzerland if Tyrolean ... sorry Austrian Errors Dash 8-400 pilots are trying to land  Wink/being sarcastic.
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:17 am

Thanks for posting that link PW100. What a great video! Respect must go to those pilots landing those planes on the centerline (most of the times).
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:38 am

MDW has some pretty rough approaches.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Mon Nov 03, 2003 3:40 am

Recently flew into Venice Treviso with Ryanair.

Dived like a bomber after crossing the alps, and for about two thousand feet or so, things got VERY bumpy. Presumably this was the air spilling over the mountains but we were soon through it.

VERY rough on departure too.
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:34 pm

I have flown into MIA on 6 occasions, all late afternoons arrivals and have never encountered turbulence,maybe i was just fortunate.
 
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Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:52 pm

I've always had bumpy rides into MDW especially in the winter when the winds are howling off Lake Michigan. One time I thought that the wing of the SWA 737-700 I was on was 1) Going to crack from the extremely hard landing and 2) Going to scrape the runway from the sudden gust of wind we experienced. Add this to the buildings nearby and short runway, it made for an interesting ride!
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:13 pm

not that i fly alot but DEN is definitely the bumpest on average of the airports i've flown into. however, it seems like airports that are very busy (ATL, ORD...etc) are almost always bumpy do to sooo many aircraft taking off and landing in such a short amount of time. must be leaving little vortices behind or something...
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:21 pm

Great video PW100.

I've landed at Wellington in bad weather--only time I have ever been scared in a plane!!!!!
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:11 pm

LAS and IAH seem to often have turbulent approaches. I have to admit though that I love turbulent approaches. It is more of a flying experience I think.
 
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Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:45 pm

HKG is chronically turbulent on approach. Every time the last 10 min is pretty heavy chop.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:49 pm

One time I thought that the wing of the SWA 737-700 I was on was 1) Going to crack from the extremely hard landing

I get those perceptions too.

Kinda funny because even though you know that a 737-700 could withstand 100 times more force than this earth could give it, you still look at it that way.



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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:17 pm

Have heard many people (inlc. pilots) that Wellington (after closure of Kai Tak) is now considered the most dangerous airport in the world with severe cross winds etc.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:37 pm

Ditto!
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:51 am

I've had some very turbulent approaches to various Greek islands. Samos in particular. Last time I was there I got an extra night on the island because the incoming plane wasn't able to land.
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 5:00 am


RNO is honestly horrible, and as my home airport, im constantly subjected to the bouncing around you get going in or out of the airport. really bad if you are going out on a windy day too. Even BETTER is that I usually end up going RNO-LAS, and LAS is nothing compared to what you get out of Reno, though ive had some good times going into LAS as well. Frankly im pretty scared to get on a United flight since they started running flights on Canadair jets to SFO- i need something a wee bit bigger!

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 5:11 am

Anyone seen the Alaska Airlines video of landing practice? I believe it was at Sitka, and they were using a 732. Any of you UND people out there who are in Avit 100 this semester saw it, I think. The plane is moving around about like most of those planes at Wellington, but the difference is that the runway is 3000' long, is surrounded by water on 3 sides, and has a mountain at the far end. It may not be the most turbulent place in the world, but I think it wins the contest as the worst place to have turbulence like it does.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:00 am

I've flown into DCA 3 or 4 times & it was really rough each of those times...the first was in 1995, but it was a crappy day. The other times were clear, beautiful days....

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 7:00 pm

flew LGW's runway 26 approaches several times and it was always quite bumpy, no problem for me  Big thumbs up I like some turbulence on finals....
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:15 pm

FLL is never smooth once you get below 8,000 feet. Usually though, climbouts are smooth as silk.
MSP was also very bumpy all the way down.

Surprisingly, FAI was not turbulent at all..

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:20 pm

In 1968 when the then National Airways Corporation (To Air New Zealand 1978-9) were getting their first 737-200 in late 1968 rumour has it that when arriving in Wellington a Boeing Pilot was on board for the delivery flight.

They approached from the south into the prevailing nasty 'norwester' and the Boeing pilot in thejumpseat had white knuckles and the crap frightened out of him.

Just another day in Wellington... Very scenic airport with sea both ends and halfway down one side.Surrounded by hills. Too bad there are only 733s nowadays not 767s.
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:29 pm

PW100

Hey, I live in Wellington and I've always thought it was and is the most rough and ready port to fly in and out of. I fly regularly for work and feel secure in the fact that our pilots are not just skilled and brave, but excited about the prospect of increasing their abilities.

With regard to the clip, I think most Wellingtonions, like me, would feel that they were on at least one of the flights screened.

And I've been on a couple that the pilot's aborted, one made me not only miss my dinner at home, but landed me back at the port I initially departed from.

The worst personally from WLG was the port side tyres blowing out on an F27 landing in 1980 due to excessive cross winds on landing. Crazily terrifying as steel grated on tarmacced runway once the rubber bounced away!

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:42 pm

Utila Honduras. A tiny little island with a very short strip. The winds are normally pretty strong and compounding a short field landing configuration with the winds usually makes for a nice bumpy approach.
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:55 pm

I'm gonna go out on a limb but say every damn time I land at EWR - Newark Liberty, it's bumpy as hell on approach.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:45 am

Can't get that durn link to work....

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sat Nov 08, 2003 3:25 am

I've flown in and out of ATL at least 100 times in the last three years and can hardly remember a turbulent approach.

I do remember that a couple years ago NASA came out with a report (the CNN version of it highlighted ATL) that dense urban areas create their own heat islands that are large enough to affect the weather immediately surrounding the urban center. Perhaps this explains the experience people have with ATL.

As for MIA, in about 20 visits, I haven't had a turbulent approach.

I guess the "air gods" are just being nice to me.

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sat Nov 08, 2003 3:45 am

BWI-The approach from the south over the bay. In the summer time the approach in over the warm water can be a doozy.
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:19 am

Genoa is a bad one I heard... Mountains on one side, sea on the other... with winds going everywhere... In high winds, it's quite a handful...

Anywhere in Indonesia after midday and before 4pm is bad. low cumulus building up, fly through one like a roller coaster, even on a 747... and you'll bounce all the way from 6000ft to the runway...

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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:13 am

LPA Las Palmas on Gran Canaria island also has usually a very turbulent approach with heavy winds at nearly all times of the day, especially in the morning.
 
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RE: Chronically Turbulent Landing Approaches...

Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:45 am

I cannot believe that ABQ has not been mentioned here. It sits in a valley and surrounded by mountains so I am sure that is why the winds kick up so strongly. As for ATL it is my hometown airport and the only rough approaches I have been witness to were on bad weather days. Sure on hot days you have thermals but on a cold day it is usually real smooth.

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