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Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:13 am

How is longhaul and shorthaul defined? By flying time or mileage? What are the limits? Is there an official definition or does everybody use their own?

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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:16 am

To make it simple, JFK-LAX is a long haul, while JFK-ROC is a short haul. By the way, anyone has an idea of how JFK-ORD would be defined?
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:23 am

for me, anything over 4/5 hours would be "long haul"
 
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:38 am

There has to be an official definition. BTW, I wouldn't define JFKLAX longhaul, IMO there has to be SOME kind of water in between...
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Tue Nov 04, 2003 7:34 pm

Here in the UK, and particularly with charter airlines, anything with a block time (pusback to engines off) of 6hrs and under is considered shorthaul - so that is anything up to around 2,700 statute miles e.g London Gatwick - Banjul (Gambia) or London Gatwick to Luxor (Egypt). Basically anything that crew duty hours will allow you to fly there and back in one day. Now they are real foot-throbbers for the flight attendants!
 
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:14 pm

I also think it is defined by the airlines seperately. But probably it also has something to do with the crew-contracts.

At KLM the Long-SHort definitions are defined as Intercontinental ICA and Europe, and these groupings define what aircraft training the crew gets.

SNBA sends its A319 up and down to TLV in one go, so it could also be defined as shorthaul.

But surely there must be something like medium-haul, or is this just used to define aicraft range?

 
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:21 pm

In distribution terms, BA define it by fleet/cabin offering rather than distance I think (or at least they used to). Anything operated by 737 / 319 / 320 / 321 / 757 / 767 Club Europe was Short Haul, anything operated by 767 Club World / 777 / 747 / 744 / SSC was longhaul. For instance when LHR-Larnaca switched from a 757 to a 777, the flight changed from being Shorthaul to being Longhaul.
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:11 am

I wouldn't even consider JFK-LAX to be "long haul", I would consider it to be more "medium haul". Now, LHR-LAX or ATL-JNB would definitely have to be "long haul"
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:14 am

SSC was short-haul in terms of pilot pay.
 
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:07 pm

IMO there has to be SOME kind of water in between...

Do Mississippi and Colorado rivers count?  Smile
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:16 pm

Anything less than 3 hours is short haul
3 to 6 would be medium haul
and anything more than 6 is long.
 
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:41 pm

A flight that requires >2 pilots (for inflight rest) = long haul.

So, over 8 or so hours = long haul. under that shorthaul.

 
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RE: Definition Of Longhaul / Shorthaul

Wed Nov 05, 2003 5:51 pm

IMO there has to be SOME kind of water in between...

So you're saying that LHR-HKG (which at 5995mi, is nearly twice as long as the transatlantic SNN-BOS) isnt longhaul?  Big grin
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