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Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 12:28 am

Do you have any thoughts about the new Boeing 7E7?
Is it really something new or just another version of the B777?


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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 12:51 am

I don't think the 7E7 will be another version of the 777 any more than the 777 was another version of the 767. However, the 7E7 will be the next step in technology from the 777, just like the 777 was the next step in technology from the 767.
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:45 am

ConcordeLoss,

I suggest you to do a search on the proposed 7E7, here in this forum. This and other related questions about the proposed 7E7 have been squeezed out into eternity, you'll surely find all answers to your questions regarding this prposed airliner.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 4:21 am

Manni,
ConcordeLoss is a new member, he just joined airliners.net. He doesn't know yet about all the topics that have been posted for weeks about the new Boeing 7E7. You don't have be too harsh with him in the beginning. New members have to feel they are welcome among us. If a new member signs up, and he or she starts posting something like: "What will the DC-9 replacement be at Northwest?", I won't get mad at him or her for the same reason, he or she cannot know that this discussion has been going on constantly in the forum.

What is it that I think about the 7E7? It will be the 767 replacement, that's a certain fact. I think that it is the twinjet airliner of the future, it is the airplane that will save Boeing's future in the commercial airplane department and help Boeing keep its largest market share in the airline industry, versus Airbus. If Boeing shelves the 7E7, then it has no future anymore in the airliner business, if that happens in two or three decades from now Boeing will close down the Everett and Long Beach plants, and Airbus will become very strong by getting the largest market share in the airline business. The 7E7 is, assuming it will become reality in five years from now and updated variants come out later, expected to exist until early XXIInd century!!!

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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:07 pm

Another Sonic Cruiser flop--a ploy to get airlines to commit to it and then turn around and discontinue the program but offer versions of the 737 family at reduced rates.
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:08 pm

yeah, heed reply #4... it makes tons of sense!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:16 pm

SCRAMJET,
I don't think I agree with you on that one.
They have to compete with Airbus. So unless they come up with something else, thats gonna have to work.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:28 pm

I think it will be a 767-300/400 sized aircraft with body architecture like that of a 777, with a 2-4-2 layout. Probably have a wedge tail cone, massive engines for it size, a la 777, and either blended or most likely, raked wingtips.

Here's the test model:


Doesn't look much like the original concept does it?


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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:30 pm

Man,
they really look completely different.

Thanks for the pictures UAL747.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:32 pm

I agree with ConcordeLoss.

"Another Sonic Cruiser flop--a ploy to get airlines to commit to it and then turn around and discontinue the program but offer versions of the 737 family at reduced rates" is garbage.

We all know what kinda situation Boeing is in as well as the Boeing company itself. They wouldnt risk their reputation by putting out an unrealistic concept idea and not make it work.
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:39 pm

Personally, I like the 777 style better than the proposed new 7E7 style.

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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:45 pm

From the sounds of it, SCRAMJET's knowledge of the Sonic Cruiser program is lacking. AFAIK, no airlines had committed to the Sonic Cruiser, demonstrating to Boeing that it was not a sound idea from a business perspective. We can all wish and dream and hope for another near-sonic/supersonic commercial passenger aircraft, but until they make sense from a bottom-line perspective for an aircraft manufacturer, they won't come to fruition. After looking at where airlines stood, Boeing realized that the Sonic Cruiser simply wasn't marketable in a post 9/11 environment and moved on to the more efficient 7E7 design. If it's a ploy to shelve a plan that might put your company into bankruptcy, then I see tons of those ploys everywhere...like this ploy of airlines to move to RJ service out of intermediate-sized airports. Dammit, I paid for a ticket, and I expect 747 service from CAE to CLT, regardless of the money that United would hemorrhage to do so!

Sure, the 7E7 is not the bold new step in aviation that the Sonic Cruiser might have been, but in uncertain economic times it's a safe step and lord knows the aviation industry needs more of those until we all get back on our feet again.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 3:32 pm

American 767

I have to agree with your comment. We are a frienly community and have no right to educate new members harshly. Please look at my post on this page (I believe) about Mexican airlines, and you'll see my opinion of the 7E7

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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:06 pm

American767,

Chill out  Insane ! Where in my post am I being harsh to Concordeloss? I'm advising him to do a search regarding the airliner. As yourself pointed out, he's a new member he might not be aware of the fact that several topics concerning the proposed 7E7 exist. Trough my advice he is been made aware of that.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:46 am

From FlyLAX:

"I agree with ConcordeLoss.

"Another Sonic Cruiser flop--a ploy to get airlines to commit to it and then turn around and discontinue the program but offer versions of the 737 family at reduced rates" is garbage.

We all know what kinda situation Boeing is in as well as the Boeing company itself. They wouldnt risk their reputation by putting out an unrealistic concept idea and not make it work."

Wasn't the Sonic Cruiser an unrealistic concept idea that did not work?

As for GarnetPalmetto's comment, please see the following article:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/21315_boeing031.shtml

It doesn't mention any airlines other than Delta being interested in it, or placing orders for it, but it states that a dozen or so airlines were interested in it and in its development.

As for the 7E7, it doesn't look like there are any orders for it yet , either: http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:03 am

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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:21 am



ConcordeLoss, welcome to A.net. About the 7E7, I really dont like the look of the aircraft, it looks too ....well, i dont know, it looks like a kid draw it in class, and im not sure how profitable it could be, as many mentioned above, there are doubts about sonic cruisers.

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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:26 am

No offense here, SCRAMJET, but of course Delta was interested in the Sonic Cruiser. The minute something comes out with a Boeing nameplate, Delta's interested in it. Consider the deal they made a few years ago to buy only Boeing aircraft..thus when a new Boeing aircraft comes out, of course Delta is going to be interested. Again, look at the date - the article was written before 9/11, when the Sonic Cruiser concept, while cutting age, might have been a good bet for an airline. Take this quote, for instance

"But Boeing must deliver on its promise of a fast plane that also will have good passenger-seat-mile costs, Reid said." After 9/11, most of the majors aren't facing good passenger-seat-mile costs still.

Check out this article, also from the Post-Intelligencer, regarding the rise of the 7E7

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/75714_boeing22.shtml

I think while Boeing would have loved to build the Cruiser, market trends killed it.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:27 am

Why entice us with this futuristic flying "goober" and then decide on making what appears to be a 777-100?!?!?! Does it make sense? First the sonic cruiser, the half concorde-half subsonic jetliner, and that was dropped for the 7E7 "dreamliner" which again, looks like a flying "goober" and now it's gonna be a 777-100? If memory serves, the airlines shot down the initial 777-100 proposal. That's just my opinion though.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 7:22 am

Boeing publicly announced the Sonic Cruiser, partially to deflect some attention away from the A380, but still kept the 7E7 under wraps. Every airline basically expressed interest in the Sonic Cruiser and AA wanted all production slot for the first 3 years of production. However, when it came down to meeting airlines privately to discuss the aircraft post Sept 11, they also presented the 7E7 and the airlines decided that a reduction in costs was more important than higher speeds at comparable costs to today's aircraft.

The picture of the test model doesn't necessarily mean that it is the final shape. It is just one of many Boeing has made and will make to find all the right shapes, angles, etc. to ensure that the 7E7 meets and/or exceeds the performance specs. I believe the only concrete specs are the cross-section and length.

The final shape may look like a shortened 777, but it will be a different aircraft and will not suffer from being overweight like the 777-100 because it is a clean sheet design.
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:25 pm

What about the inside?
Are they going to have wider economy seats?
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:38 pm

I got a bone.

I was scanning the MSN website when I came along this article http://famulus.msnbc.com/famuluscom/reuters11-03-153413.asp?sym=BA#body for the 767 tanker deal that the military would like. While more than agree on their point I have one question.

Why would the air force want some (new and busted) 767 tankers when I am sure that Boeing would love to have a launch customer for the 7E7 (new hotness) that would buy 60+ airframe's?

I love all airplanes, but I think they should put refuling boom on that dreamliner. After all they did a pretty good job on getting the 707 started.

I feel better now.





[Edited 2003-11-04 07:41:33]

[Edited 2003-11-04 07:42:22]
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:49 pm

Why would the air force want some (new and busted) 767 tankers when I am sure that Boeing would love to have a launch customer for the 7E7 (new hotness) that would buy 60+ airframe's?

Setting aside the USAF's perspective, I'm sure Boeing know that they will have no shortage of launch cutomers for the 7E7; whereas the 767 will become less popular.

Instead of 1 idle production line and 1 with a huge backlog, this way they'd keep 2 busy production lines.

However, there's a more thorough discussion in the Military forum:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/15899/
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 6:24 am

It looks like a great aircraft. I personally cannot wait until it takes-off. However, I am more concerned about who the launch customer will be. I am predicting Delta because there 762's are getting old and they need a suitable replacement. AA and UAL already have lots of newer 763's and 777's. Perhaps an international carrier?
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 7:52 am

Well my not so keen aviationist friends did say it looked quite "streamlined and sexy" - what do you think of that one!!

I think it will be a huge success, and there is a huge market even just for the short range model, a much more efficient 767 successor and even one that can take the standard cargo containers that do not otherwise fit side by side on the 767.

A lot of airliners currently use 767's on short range hops (up to 5-6 hour hops), QF,NZ,AA,BA,OZ just to name a few - and these will all need replacement in the coming years, I know QF will need a short range widebody when it wants to eventually dispose of it's 763ers (it is already disposing is 762ers already) - the A330 is not suitable for this market, whilst NZ is currently looking at fleet replacement already.

 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:17 am

No point in opening up yet another 7E7 thread for this article, a very good one:

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aviationdaily_story.jsp?id=news/mor11043.xml

Incidentally, SCRAMJET, I find some of your comments obtuse and meritless.

"Wasn't the Sonic Cruiser an unrealistic concept idea that did not work?"

What was unrealistic about it? Transonic transports have been studied for many years now by BOTH Boeing and Airbus and before them, NASA. They're quite feasible but Boeing's design eliminated the coke-bottle shaped, area-ruled fuselage that complicates stretching. By putting the wing at the end of the fuselage, Boeing used the natural tapering of the fuselage to get area-ruling, giving them a widebody design that could be easily stretched. As was pointed out by others, prior to the 9/11 fallout there was a good bit of interest. After that, economy was more important and Boeing switched gears, simple as that.

 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:13 pm

Well my not so keen aviationist friends did say it looked quite "streamlined and sexy"


I have to agree with that  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:41 pm

Completely agree with AMERICAN 767, everytime I start a new topic, someone tell me that it´s an old topic, "for the millionth time..." the answer.
Manni, you are not obligated to answer a topic if you don´t want to.
BTW: nice pics of the 7E7 posted by UAL747
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:01 am

I noticed that some people refer to the 7E7 as 787. Is that a formal thing or is it because its the sequence?
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:29 am

It's mainly because of the sequence. 7E7 is a developmental designator for it and it's widely believed that due to the Boeing sequencing system (707, 717, 727, 737, etc.) that when the 7E7 is put into production that it will be redesignated the 787.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:50 am

I think that Boeing should just drop the 7E7 and go more tradtionally. It looks way too futuristic for out time.
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:58 am

Reminds me of a shark.



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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:06 am

"I think that Boeing should just drop the 7E7 and go more traditionally. It looks way too futuristic for our time."

Many, though not I, echo this argument but Boeing is going for a distinctive look, in the tradition of the 747, to help keep the plane in peoples' minds. I'd be fine with it if it looked like the original concept, a tweaked 764 but following on the heels of the way-out Sonic Cruiser, they felt uniqueness was necessary. As always, it's vastly more important how the airplane functions rather than how it appears. Some say the A380 looks like a fat garden grub with wings but who cares if it does great things for the industry. The 757-300 and the A340-600 look like flying snakes to me but they're both great planes. Aesthetics here are overated.

 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:02 am

I am still in favor of dusting off the old Boeing 2707 project.

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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:48 am

As someone who works in maintenance I wonder about a composite fuselage. Damaged aluminum is easy to repair, composites are something entirely different.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:49 am

Superfly, if it was 40 years ago instead of now, that just might work!  Big grin
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:13 pm

Reminds me of a shark.
Reminds me of a shark with an ugly anteater nose. I have to admit, though, that the wind tunnel model looks 500% better than the sketch.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:20 pm

The wind tunnel model looks like a 777 with odd winglets.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:20 pm

I like it, I think itll be ana wsome planbe if they retain at least SOME of the original design.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:26 pm

if they retain at least SOME of the original design

To me, it looks like the 777 with a little alteration to the tail and wings.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:30 pm

Wind tunnel model actully reminds me of the 777-200LR.
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:56 pm

Maybe they are going to suprise everybody and when its rolled out it will look like the "shark" design. I know, Im probably dreaming, but I dont mind!
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:04 pm


"In the post-9/11 world".. not everything that happens in the world happens because "9/11" happened in 2001. The Sonic Cruiser was a PR excersize from the beginning, meant to cover up the failure to launch the 747X and to steal thunder from the A380. The way it wound up looking was just another failure.

The 7E7 sounds more practical and Boeing this time identifies cost as a crucial factor as global competition ever tightens. What they shouldn't IMO be doing is trumpeting it as the best thing since the spoon, but work hard to get the product defined realistically and enlist launch customers so they can get the project off the ground, literally. The design is "just another plane", but new products is exactly what Boeing needs in its portfolio.
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 4:06 am

Is Boeing running out of ideas?
It's sounds as though the 767 and 777 can do what this 7E7 is intended to do.

Damn those nay sayer who would never dust off the 2707 project!  Pissed
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:21 am

Joni-

I did some informational interviewing at Boeing's Everett offices about 18 months ago, and I can tell you the Sonic Cruiser was not a PR gimmick. The walls were covered with detailed development process flow charts, status reports, progress targets, systems evaluations, and so on. I could tell that tremendous effort had already gone into the planning process. Hundreds of people in that one little corner of Boeing were working on the Sonic Cruiser all day, every day. I have a picture of me standing in front of an 8-foot Sonic Cruiser model, surrounded by renderings and even a painting of the plane - and this was in everyday offices, not a showroom. If the SC was a smokescreen whipped up by management to distract Airbus and the airlines, Boeing went to extremes to trick their own employees as well.

Superfly-

It would be awesome to see the 2707 fly. This was a truly large aircraft, as shown below in a size comparison with the 747-400. The sheer size of it (306 feet long) would dwarf even the A340-600, which is today's longest aircraft at 246 feet 11 inches.



With modern computational fluid dynamics technology and light-weight composite materials, I do not doubt that the 2707 could now meet its design goals of carrying 300 pax over 4,400 miles. The problem is that the 2707 was designed to be more efficient than Concorde and the 707-320B, but modern aircraft have advanced so much that it would still be obsolete.

How much the 2707 design could be updated, and whether the result would be economically competitive, is something I have been looking into for a long time. A clean-sheet SST design would almost certainly be more efficient, if somewhat more costly. But when you compare NASA's High-Speed Civil Transport design goals with the 2707-100, it's amazing how many of the basic parameters Boeing got right: pax load, fuselage cross-section, aircraft weight, fuel capacity, engine size, wing area, etc. There has even been talk of bringing back the variable-sweep wing to help solve noise problems, which continue to plague the HSCT, by increasing takeoff and landing performance. Unfortunately for the US, the technology of the 1960s could not support such an ambitious project.

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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:41 am

So we take it that there is no plans for introducing a supersonic to the market for another 20 years?
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:49 am

"In the post-9/11 world".. not everything that happens in the world happens because "9/11" happened in 2001. The Sonic Cruiser was a PR excersize from the beginning, meant to cover up the failure to launch the 747X and to steal thunder from the A380."

Joni, with all due respect, you are certainly entitled to this opinion but I believe you're only half correct about this. The way Boeing touted the SC WAS certainly a PR move to divert attention away from the embarassment of the 747X shelving and to try to steal some thunder from the A380, no doubt about that. However, 9/11 did have a harrowing effect on the U.S. majors who were looking at the Sonic Cruiser. There was some genuine interest in it prior to the industry turmoil and some of those airlines, like Continental, speculated they could use the slight extra-speed to get another daily run on some routes. In the 9/11 aftermath, however, the loss-ridden carriers turned lukewarm about a plane they might have to charge even a slight fare-premium for and veered away from it to look at the parallel "Yellowstone" concept, now the 7E7, which gave them something of more value due to their immediate woes. It may be debatable how much interest there actually was in the Cruiser as it might have ended up a niche-market, rather than a mass-market airplane. But I'm convinced Boeing had every intention of launching it if they could've found an adequate number of orders. After 21 months of trying, they failed to do so. The effect of 9/11 was naturally far more serious for U.S. airlines than European ones and Boeing was talking mostly to American carriers about the Sonic Cruiser. It's fortunate for Airbus, they didn't have a lot of U.S. airlines lined up to be A380 launch customers at the time of 9/11; likely that program would be in dire straits were that to be the case.
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:03 am

Not to my knowledge. The Japanese are working on some basic technology development, but their experiments so far have not been successful (I think one of their scale engine models was launched on a rocket testbed, which exploded in flight - not a good thing!). NASA continues to do some research, but at a fairly low level.

Boeing and Airbus have no interest in supersonic aircraft, as the projected world demand for about 1,000 SSTs does not even come close to returning an investment of $30-40 billion. A new SST, as much as I would love to see one, cannot presently justify its existence. By comparison, Boeing projects 7E7 sales may reach 2,000 airframes and I doubt they will spend more than $6-8 billion on that project. The A380 will probably end up costing $10-15 billion. In a world with limited resources, we have to choose which projects are the most deserving of money and human talent. Such a massive amount of money is better spent on subsonic projects

There was an interesting discussion on a new SST a while ago - see http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1238855.

--B2707SST
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:27 am

Viva le Boeing. May the 7E7 be a great success.
 
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RE: Any Thoughts About The New 7E7?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:28 am

I think the 7E7 is the first step towards the Bobus company, Boeing is contracting a composite company in Toulose of all places. Is this a sign?
As for the B2707, it was the victim of the spendings in the Vietnam war
and oil crisis, technically I think it would been no problems if Boeing got
a blank check for the US gov...

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