JBLUA320
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South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 12:42 am

Hey all

My family will probably be travelling to South America on a tour package, and it lists the following flights as included. Can anyone shed some light as to what the airlines might be on each route?

New York/JFK - Manaus

Manaus - Rio de Janeiro

Rio de Janeiro - Iguassu Falls

Iguassu Falls - Buenos Aires

Buenos Aires - Bariloche

Puerto Varas - Santiago

Santiago - New York/JFK

In addition, we will be adding on a tour to the Galapogos, however, this would be on Lan Ecuador/TAME.

Thanks for all your help!
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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:02 am

I' ll try to help you...

1.Are you sure about the JFK-Manaus flight? As far as I know there are no flights between Manaus and the US.

2. Puerto Varas- Santiago? Puerto Varas has no airport, so probably that flight will depart from Puerto Montt, a city that is like 30 kms. to the south of Puerto Varas. and that flight should be with LanChile.

3. Santiago-JFK...that flight is operated only by LanChile, and makes a stop in Lima.
 
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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:16 am

Thanks a lot

I dont know if the flight is nonstop to Manaus, but the ultimate destination is such. Id hope that if the Santiago-JFK flight is on LAN, then the flight to Manaus is with LAN too. Im really hoping that LAN operates all these flights.

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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 4:35 am

I've flown a lot throughout South America and might be able offer some info.

JFK-MAO is probably with a connection to the RG flight from MIA (Lloyd Aereo Boliviano, also operates this route)
MAO-GIG is probably on one of RG's regular flights via GRU, or possibly on VASP.
GIG-FOZ is most likely one of RG's 2 daily flights via GRU.
You will then cross the border overland at Iguazu Falls from Brasil to Argentina
and fly from IGU-EZE on AR.EZE-Bariloche on AR, Lan to Puerto Mont and then to SCL, then either Lan or RG from SCL ti JFK.

This trip sounds expensive.


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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 6:22 am

Thanks a lot

Its actually not all that expensive considering what you get. I think the final cost is somewhere around $3000 per person, with air, hotel, tours and meals. We are looking at it as a small price to pay to see the Galapogos before they disappear

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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 7:55 am

I should add..

We already know what airlines we'd be taking on the Galapogos part of the trip, which is why I didnt ask  Big grin

Looks like itd be LanPeru and TAME
 
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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 8:55 am

JBLUA320,

I can help you with the flights to/from Brazil.

New York - Manaus: you have to go via GRU. All flights from JFK make a stop in GRU and then continues to other destinations (GIG, Belo Horizonte, or other countries in South America). You can choose Varig, UA, Jal or AA. Then you can go to Manaus with TAM, Varig or VASP (but VASP's flights has 4 or 2 stops depending on the flight).

Manaus - Rio de Janeiro: You may choose between the two Rio's airports: Galeao (GIG) or Santos Dumont (SDU). There are 3 options to GIG: 2 with Varig and one with GOL (low-cost), but GOL has 4 stops between Manaus and GIG (the flight is: Manaus-Belem-Fortaleza-Recife-Salvador-Rio de Janeiro). It's a very long flight and much more expensive. If you choose SDU, there's only one option, that is with GOL. The flight is shorte than the one to GIG, and much cheaper. It has only one stop between Manaus and SDU.

Rio de Janeiro - Iguassu Falls: There are only flight departing in GIG, and you have 3 options: two with VASP and one with Varig. All flights has one stop. (It's better to come from Manaus to SDU, and than change airports and go to Iguassu from GIG).

Iguassu Falls - Buenos Aires: There's only one flight (with Varig) that is: Foz do Iguacu - Curitiba - GRU - Buenos Aires (EZE). So, it gets a bit long (about 6h20min). If you take a flight from Iguassu Falls to GRU, and there you take another flight to Buenos Aires (take only direct flights), you will save time (the trip will take about 5h45min) and money (I think).

Well, if you need any other information about it, ask me. I'll try to help you.

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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:09 am

Thanks for the insight
We dont get to choose unfortunately... the tour company books for us. Im just trying to see what all the airline possibilities are.

How is VASP? Ive never thought of them with high regards...

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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 9:46 am

JBLUA320

Vasp's good days are gone. Now they are flying only domestic routes (not even to other South American countries), and with a very poor and old fleet (732, 733 A300). I, personally, don't like VASP and its service is also not good. TAM and Varig are much better than VASP, and GOL got a big part of the market in Brazil. But VASP is better than some time ago.
I don't think they will ever be that big airline that they used to be (flying to ZRH, SFO, BCN, BRU, JFK, MCO... with MD-11).

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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:15 am

this trip can't cost only U$ 3000!!!!!

anyway , considering all the options you will be definetly going all around S.A. Seems like a marathon of flights..... even in the best scenery.... hope all your relatives enjoy flying as much as you do!!!!

Have a nice trip!

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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:30 am

Thanks guys

Were skipping over X-mas vacation and taking a small spring vacation to help augment this trip- it will be my parents 25th anniversary in July, and they wanted to do something special.

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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:43 am

there is a MIA-MAO flight on LLYOD of Bolivia on Saturdays I bleieve
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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:45 am

I grew up in Brasil and the other way to get to MAO is thr Houston on CO to Bog then to MAO on RG
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RE: South America Airline Help

Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:13 pm

According to SABRE you can get to Manaus from the USA with either Aeropostal, connecting thru Caracas, or non-stop on Lloyd Aereo Boliviano's flight 903 with a 767-300.

It appears that both VARIG and TAM have discontinued their nonstop services from MIA to MAO with 737-700, and A319 respectively. Or maybe their service is only seasonal.
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RE: South America Airline Help

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:20 am

Lloyd Aereo Boliviano has MIA-MAO. The flight 903 departs MIA at 8:35pm and arrives in MAO at 2:35pm. It's operated by 762 on Monday, Wednesday and Saturday.

I grew up in Brasil and the other way to get to MAO is thr Houston on CO to Bog then to MAO on RG

Now there are no flights from Houston to Manaus. The only flight from Houston is to GRU and continues to GIG.

It appears that both VARIG and TAM have discontinued their nonstop services from MIA to MAO with 737-700, and A319 respectively. Or maybe their service is only seasonal.

No, it's not seasonal. RG and TAM stopped flying MAO-MIA-MAO. It was a good route for people who lives in (or is going to) Northeast and North of Brazil. Without this route, someone from these regions must come to GRU (a non-stop flights takes about 6hrs), and then take a flight to MIA. You come to GRU to later go back to the north. It only makes your trip longer and more expensive.

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RE: South America Airline Help

Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:42 am

I flew TAME to the Galapagos nine-year ago this month. It was a B727-200 from Quito to Guyaquil to Baltra, with a light lunch on the longer portion. At that time, there was no assigned seating, and boarding took place through both the front door and the rear internal stair.

On the return, the arriving B727 got a windshield crack upon landing in balder, and therefore could not return. We were told to board the aircraft to eat our lunch and then get off again to wait another three hours. After lunch, an Ecuadorian military C130 arrive to take the passenger going to Guyaquil back to the continent, and then another 727 came to take the rest of us back non-stop to Quito.
 
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RE: South America Airline Help

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:04 pm

Service-wise I would choose everything that could be related to Lan Chile...everything else is just crap.
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RE: South America Airline Help

Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:15 pm

Rio-Iguassu(IGU): Certainly Varig.
Then you will cross the border to the argentine side and take a domestic flight from Iguazu (IGR) to Buenos Aires (AEP) in Aerolineas Argentinas. Then from AEP to Bariloche (BRC) also in AR.

AEP is the domestic downtown airport. Beautiful approach.