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Where Would Piedmont Be Today?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:03 pm

I'm new to the forum. I tried to do a search with no luck, so I hope I'm not repeating a thread. Where would Piedmont be today if it had not merged with US ? Obviously, BWI and CLT would still be hubs, DAY gone and what about SYR ? Fleets, etc ?
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RE: Where Would Piedmont Be Today?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:43 pm

Great Topic - Piedmont!!!!


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OK - if US Air had not been successful in taking over PI, then Norfolk/Southern Corp would own them. Remember, US entered a biding war with NS for PI, NS already own over 20% of PI.

I think NS wanted a carrier for intermodal cargo, so, I believe that PI would have continued on with expansion westward and international and a large cargo ops.

I suspect they would be operating an all Boeing fleet, with the possible exception of DC-10/MD-11 for freight. 727's would be gone, the F28's would be gone, by now. But 777-200 would be in operation on transatlantic routes.

I wonder if they would be having a difficult time due to a large ops at DCA (and extended closure after 9/11). But they would rebound more quickly than US, due to their large freight ops.

I suspect they would have chased after Eastern's Latin America/Caribbean routes. That would be the impetuous for scaling back SYR. They could well be at MIA instead of AA. So we would be looking at:

Hubs:
BWI
CLT (huge!!!)
MIA (?)

Focus Stations:
BOS
LGA
SYR
DAY
DCA
(maybe MCO, where exactly was PI's intra-FL service based? I should know that)
LAX (?)

Fleet

737-200, 300, 400, 700 (lots of them!!)
757-200 (maybe, replacement for 727 high density routes)
767-200
777-200

Henson would have a large CRJ/Dash-8 fleet.

Freight Division:

Would be generating 20-30% of operating revs. I would expect DC-10/MD-11's (For whatever reason, I think that fits NS corporate profile better that the 747-400F).

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RE: Where Would Piedmont Be Today?

Mon Nov 03, 2003 7:35 pm

That is a very tough question to answer. However, I do know that Piedmont was an excellent airline. The people that worked there were the best, and they all worked together as a real team! My father flew for Piedmont, and when I was 13, he took me to Tom Davis' retirement party (he started Piedmont) at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, N.C. All of the employees at Piedmont donated money and surprised Mr. Davis with a new Mercedes convertible as a retirement gift!! Can you see any company doing that today for their leader??

I would just hope that if Piedmont were still around today, that they would still be the airline that everyone loved to fly. That company is still very sorely missed by a lot of people. That was my dream job as a young kid, so was TWA. Both companies had very loyal employees that stuck together ....you just don't see much of that anymore unfortunately.
 
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RE: Where Would Piedmont Be Today?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:49 am

SRD737NG:

Without a doubt, Piedmont would still be enjoying the good will of its employees and customers.

Odd you should mention TWA and Piedmont in the same post. Towards the end, PI had started service to JFK to feed TWA international flights.

(I don't think that would have lasted.)

[Edited 2003-11-03 19:07:27]
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RE: Where Would Piedmont Be Today?

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:20 am

I decided to update the fleet prediction:

Piemont, if around today, would be flying:

737-200, 300, 400, 800
No 757's
767-200, 300
No 777 (all international is to secondary markets)

And most likely would be placing an order for the 717-200.

Also:
ROA would still have an abundance of mainline flights and Kinston (ISO) would be maintance and freight ops.
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