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Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:05 am

I don't know about you but going transatlantic on a 757 is a little "iffy." Continental offers service to a few western European countries using their 752's. Anyone been on one such flight? Is the service as good as the widebody flights. What's different? What's the same? Do they offer anything different on these flights to make up for the lack of personal space? Just wondering.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:08 am

I don't know about you but going transatlantic on a 757 is a little "iffy."

Here we go again. Sheesh.

What's "iffy" about it? It's within the aircrafts range to fly it safely; And guess what, the "personal space" isn't much different than on a widebody-the coach seats are the same, the B/First seats are relatively the same. It isn't as wide, but that doesn't have squat to do with personal space.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:14 am

Lack of personal space? Uh, no?

You know, the DC-8's and 707's were narrowbodies too...funny, they seemed to make atlantic crossings just fine  Big grin
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:14 am

I've taken the EWR - GLA -EWR flight, FC on the way over and coach back. The FC was very nice. In-seat IFE and a good selection of programming. FC meal was very impressive and the seat was quite comfortable. Now on the GLA - EWR in coach this is a different story. The seat pitch was awful, the food sparse and not the best, also the annoying single aisle caused horrible problems with flight attendants serving and everyone going to the bathroom!!! You could tell the FA's were not thrilled about working this flight! Also the lack of available restrooms caused a huge line! The IFE in coach had the drop down LCD screen which was hard to watch because of the "sea" of heads. These dropped down from the overhead panel where the reading lights are. The GPS moving map display was a nice touch. I would recommend FC but coach...look forward to a uncomfortable, annoying flight...sorry me 2 cents!
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:15 am

SOrry, I didnt mean to stir up anger. I just thought that it is not like the 777 which may have more space on board. It is smaller and I just figured that it was "iffy" because it is towards the end of the aircrafts range. Thats all. It is obviously safe becasue they wouldent use the aircraft if it wasent. I am not saying it would have problems hopping the pond or something crazy like that, just that there may be more of a secure sence aboard a 777. Thats all
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:19 am

How much more space on a 777 will YOU have? Would you turn down a trip to Europe on a Gulfstream GV? Ever see how small they are?

I would not worry about it at all. I have heard that the East-to-West trips on a 757 require a fuel stop in Gander or someplace like that.
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:20 am

see? AV8AJET had a great response. He has been on a flight so he gave his opinion on it. I think its pretty obvious that the 757 can make the trip...I didnt need to be told that. And I also know narrow bodies can do it. But the point I was getting at was the mental side. Do wide bodies make people feel safer? More engines? I AM NOT SAYING they are safer but some people would rather be on a 77 rather then a 75 for various "safety" reasons. (justified or not)
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:20 am

This summer I was on a flight from Amsterdam to Cancun, this was on a 757.
Had to land at Montreal for a fuel stop.

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:23 am

The west bound lgw-cle and dus-ewr when they flew did OCCASIONALY have to stop for fuel, maybe one a month if that and only in the winter.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:26 am

"I have heard that the East-to-West trips on a 757 require a fuel stop in Gander or someplace like that."

Not true. All the flights CO offers are nonstop. They even used to fly from DUS and BRU to EWR without any fueling stops.
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:51 am

I absolutely adore CO's transatlantic 752 flights!

Very reminiscent of upstairs in a 744, but slightly more roomy.

Disembarking, if you're in the back of steerage and they're using 1 boarding gate, could be a pain... but nothing to get stressed over.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:56 am

I flew a couple of times in a B737 across the pond (in a BBJ), the experience is just thrilling. It feels a lot more intimate than in a B777 or even B747, the service is usually more personalised (with Privatair at least) and the flight is quiter (I guess less people create less noise).
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:59 am

I traveled Continental's transatlantic B757 service... EWR-SNN/DUB-EWR. Comparing it to other carriers, I wasn't overly pleased. In coach bulkhead row aisle, legroom was good enough. However, the flight attendants on the overnight flight left the cabin lights on the entire flight and spent much of it in the aisle. A total of four drink services, two meal services, and a couple of run throughs with the duty free is just too much for a 5 hour overnight flight.

Other than that, I just hate B757s in general.
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:59 am

Far fewer people at baggage claim means a lot to me.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:00 am

I took a Continental 757-200 flight across the pond in 2000 and found it to be quite nice. Personal space was just fine, and the entertainment provided (flip-down LCD screens w/ range of audio choices) was just fine. Add to that a terrific in-flight crew and pleasant meal service, and the fact that the 757 is one of my favorite aircraft, I'd definitely do it again without hesitation.
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:01 am

I was in coach, by the way, flying EWR-DUB.

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:14 am

I'm glad you experienced a good flt FlyCMH. ProudtoflyAA I apologize, I wouldnt want the lights on either. From the Ireland wrap-around flt I took, it seemed dark in the cabin which put me to sleep faster. The Ireland runs can be very quick, and should be sometimes quicker than EWR-SFO/LAX. How come no one complains about those. Atleast traveling to Eurpoe its night time and most people will be sleeping anyways. I look at it like this, either we fly 757's across the pond or we dont, and our international product will shrink by about 40%, so I will take it anyday!!
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:15 am

Maybe the majors should start considering MD-80's or even BAC 1-11's for Atlantic Crossing's. Just think of the cost savings - this of course is what counts the most.

As I've already stated in another post, We've not progressed at all in over 30 years. In 1958 or 9 the 707 made it's first crossing over the Atlantic and now in 2003 !!! we still have people out there harping on about teeny twinjets crossing the pond.

Give me a break, please.
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:21 am

no offense, but the last post really made no sense whatsoever  Laugh out loud
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:24 am

CO flies it's 757s on routes that no other airlines (US) fly year round,

They fly 757s to Lisbon, Birmingham, Shannon Ireland, and soon Edinburgh.

No US Airline flies to Lisbon, no US Airline flies to Birmingham year round, and no one else (perhaps US Airways) flies to Shannon Ireland year round, no one flies to Edinburgh.

So basically CO flying 757s across the Atlantic opens up markets that would other wise not be served, like Edinburgh.

So the 757 is a great aircraft for connecting EWR with smaller European Cities that otherwise would get no service from US Carriers.

The CLE-LGW flight is oeprated for the reverse of CO's other 757 flights, it's CLE that would otherwise not be able to support a trans-Atlantic flight without the 757.

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:25 am

no offense, but the last post really made no sense whatsoever...

perhaps not to you but I'm sure that there others who get it.
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:32 am

What they get, is the fact that you have no idea as to what you speak  Laugh out loud


The fact that "teeny twinjets" (as you so eloquently phrased it) can and do cross the Atlantic safely, efficiently, and regularly... speaks much for progress. That's not something that was feasible in the 1950s
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:33 am

I couldnt stand spending that long on a long pencil! I hated my flight on UA from ORD-TPA on the 757, and that was only 3 1/2 hours! I think there two long, and narrow, and cramped.......... But thats just my thoughts.

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:33 am

I am flying FI on the 752 next Friday LHR-KEF-BOS and rtn and I am not the slightest bit bothered. I sit down for 95% of the flight and the other 5%is wandering to the toilet and back. I did exactly the same on the A300 to SSH this summer and also the B747 to SYD. In the end you get a seat which is your own personal space and an isle usually no more than 2 seats away. Why does it matter to some people if there isnt another aisle on the other side of the a/c which you probably wont even walk down.

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:34 am

and no one else (perhaps US Airways) flies to Shannon Ireland year round

Not exactly true.

DL serves SNN yearround, just not with roundtrip nonstops each way. (i.e., ATL-SNN-DUB/ATL-DUB-SNN and vice versa)
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:36 am

ProudtoflyAA I apologize, I wouldnt want the lights on either. From the Ireland wrap-around flt I took, it seemed dark in the cabin which put me to sleep faster. The Ireland runs can be very quick, and should be sometimes quicker than EWR-SFO/LAX. How come no one complains about those.

I think I'd have preferred the CO flight more if it were longer.... It sounds bad to complain about too much service, but cutting it to just one meal would help. There was about 45 minutes during the flight when the flight attendants were not in the aisle on the way over. It's a little bit distracting. Coming back wasn't that much difference, but it was a daylight flight. Employees were all very nice though (except for check-in, but it was handled by America West in Omaha).

My last B757 flight was a transcon redeye (LAX-MIA) about three weeks ago. I didn't find it very pleasant either (they did turn the lights off, but the movie screens were worse than the cabin lights).
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:49 am

I'm with STT757:

If the 757 can open up non-stops to the "provincial" cities of Europe and by-passes the superhub, I'm for it! Support these flights even if it is a little uncomfortable. Once it becomes a successful route, thanks to your patronage, it may be upgraded to a larger aircraft.

Perhaps CO will eventually go non-stop from EWR to cities such as LYS, MRS, MRS, NCE, TLS & BOD in France as well. Plus HAM & STR in Germany. They would have quite an extensive European network!
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:13 am

Nice and Stuttgart already have nonstop transatlantic service on a CO partner...

Likewise, I would love to see CO 752s at other French provincial cities... though not sure if a renewed partnership with AF would help or hinder that.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:24 am

Last March I flew a CO 752 from EWR-BHX it was perfectly fine. The Cabin Crew were very friendly, my only complaint was the 31 in seat pitch. On the return flight there was an equipment change to a 762 the 32in-33in pitch made a world of difference. My point is I think CO 752's are uncomfortable for long flights not because they are not widebodies but because CO did a lousy job configuring them in Y, but BF looked beautiful.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:35 am

The 757 is a darn fine versitile airplane and I'm sad to see it end production!
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:33 am

The 757 is more than a damn fine airplane, it's truly superb for it was designed for - short to medium routes. I adore the 757 like the next guy but really long haul on a plane that has only one aisle and is 11ft wide is really a bit much.

So what if they have been flying this aircraft successfully across the pond. Airlines will keep pushing the envelope further and further and for what?, their own gain NOT the passengers. This is WRONG.

That was my point ConcordeBoy, given the opportunity some airlines would try and get away with the least comfortable, smallest aircraft possible - Hang On !!!, they already do.

It is totally unacceptable to be crammed into a PENCIL as someone quite correctly described it with 28-30 inches of legroom.

This is NOT progress.

 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:44 am

Rather than criticising Continental for using the 757 in the off-season to Glasgow, why not thank them for being the ONLY carrier that bothers to fly it all year round. Most carriers do not go there at all, and a few go there during the summer. There is no logic in them flying a 767 or 777 to GLA if the demand cannot support it. You'll get 777's and 764's and the moment 762's to GLA on Continental, but when it is slow season (which is getting shorter all the time), you'll get the 757

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:45 am


Hi!

Continental is infact the only US airline to fly to Portugal. We used to have at least two, both wide-body flights, then one, still wide-body and latter downgraded to narrow-body. Flights from Portugal to JFK with TAP were always with wide-body airliners when these planes arrived. TAP used the 747-200, L1011-500, A310-300 and now the A340-300. The US airlines that operated, we had Pan Am that used only the 707 and from time to time the 747. TWA was the one that used the 747 and the L1011, latter they used the 767-200 and 300 to end finnally with the 757. CO is using the 757 and I'm not sure how the occupation goes, I still think a wide-body run is better but I accept that sometimes people preffer the small size flight.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:56 am

I've spent 5 hours in economy on a 737 and done just fine, I don't see why you can't spend 7 hours on a 757.

A friend of mine flew ORD-SEA on a 777 and SEA-ORD on a 757, he said the 777 was terribly cramped and would take the 75' anyday.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:05 am

I flew AMS-EWR onboard a 752 back in 2001. To be honest with you, it was a great flight. THe best part was that disembarking, and luggage claim were a snap as there were far fewer passengers than a 743/MD11 (which I usually fly on with KLM).

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:23 am

I would tend to think that passengers do gain something by flying the 757 across the pond. That something is a nonstop flight. Business travelers especially like that. Rather than having to stop in a place like LHR to connect to a city like Birmingham or Glasgow, and have a total travel time of over ten hours, including ground time, the trip nonstop can be made in just over 5 hours. This is a great convenience to passengers, especially since they also avoid customs at the larger airports and hassles related to that.

And, on an airline like Continental, you will get the exact same inflight service on a 757 as you would on a 767-200ER or 767-400ER or 777. The food will be the same on the 757, 767, or 777. You will have the same pitch and width on the 757 as you would on the 767 or 777. If you are in the window seat of a CO 777, it will be just like being in the window seat of a CO 757. The only difference is that it is a narrow-body, and the 777s have PTVs for that matter.

If time were of the essence I would much rather take the shorter nonstop flight, rather than take a longer route including connections simply to fly on a widebody. Hell, I would prefer the nonstop even if time weren't of the essence. (You can get vacation started quicker that way)  Big grin

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:35 am



I have never crossed the Atlantic on a single aisle aircraft, but would love to do so. One member mentioned crossing the pond on a 737BBJ, and said it felt a lot more intimate and i can see how that could make the flight pleasant. Didnt 727s also cross Atlantic some time ago, with flights from South America to Europe?

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:37 am

especially since they also avoid customs at the larger airports and hassles related to that.

Actually, it's been my experience that the smaller gateways (with only a few int'l flights per day) are much more do-it-by-the-book, and therefore more strenuous; than the deGaulles, Heathrows, Naritas, etc



You will have the same pitch and width on the 757 as you would on the 767 or 777.

False.

CO's 777s feature a different seat which beats the 752's on both account.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:39 am

Anyone been on one such flight?

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:24 am

CO's 777s feature a different seat which beats the 752's on both account.
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Actually the pitch is the same at 31 inches, but the 777 seat is wider at 17.9 as opposed to 17.2

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:26 am

ConcordeBoy;

Seat pitch is better on CO's 762 from by personal experience and seatguru.com.

Funny though that that the source also states that CO 752 and 777 are the same. If this is true a EWR-HKG flight would be horrible!
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:52 am

Didn't TW fly the 757 on some select routes to Europe before the acquisition/merger- I'm guessing out of STL ?
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:05 am

Didn't TW fly the 757 on some select routes to Europe before the acquisition/merger- I'm guessing out of STL ?

Apparently they flew them to the Iberian peninsula from JFK. B757 did substitute on rare occasion for transatlantic B767 from STL... but had to make a fuel stop (usually in Bangor).
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:06 am

Didn't TW fly the 757 on some select routes to Europe before the acquisition/merger- I'm guessing out of STL ?

Apparently they flew them to the Iberian peninsula from JFK. B757 did substitute on rare occasion for transatlantic B767 from STL... but had to make a fuel stop (usually in Bangor).


They also used them on HNL to STL. But they didn't quite have the legs for STL-HNL. Boy, a 757LR would have been nice there.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:31 pm

Spmeone made a valid point before, European cities such as Glasgow cant support a year round widebody service. UNITED/AMERICAN tried it but both pulled out (UA permanently and AA now only operate in summer as will US air from PHL).

The 757 is a great plane for cities such as GLA as it means the city can enjoy year round connections to the US. Glasgow is very busy with charter traffic and airlines and scots often fly to the canary islands and cyprus on 4-5 hour flights on a 757, so a 6 hour flight to new york is no big deal.

Really the way some people carry on in this forum you'd think continental was cramming 200 pax on a cessna for these flights.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:17 pm

AMM744, was one thread where you made a complete fool of yourself about narrowbodies across the pond not enough for you? Are you a glutton for punishment?

Again, there is absolutely no scientific data, or any other data, that says the twin-engines and/or narrow-body aircraft are unsafe in making these flights. If they're capable of making BOS-LAX, over 6 hours, they're capable of CLE-LGW at 7:30 or EWR-LIS at 6:30. No difference, really.

As has been pointed out, if it weren't for long-range, narrow-body aircraft, cities like GLA, DUB, SNN and EDI on the European side, and CLE on the American side, couldn't support nonstop service in the current climate, or in most climates. It's the perfect aircraft for such routes, and it would be stupid to take them off those routes unless they can show they can support year-round, or, in some cases, even seasonal, wide-body service.
 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:19 pm

I dont see the big deal, having flown CO's 757s on the transat service a few times. It does just fine, same as a 767 or 777 just not as wide or as long.
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:36 pm

I prefer widebodies myself, but I don't think this is a big deal. I love the atitude 'flying a narrowbody is torture' - how-so? I'd enjoy either, but I'd enjoy the widebody more. As for long flights such as BOS-LAX being operated with narrowbodies: the USA is a big country and frequency prevails...

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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:06 pm

Alpha 1, you misunderstood my point as before. I have nothing against the 757, it is a superb aircraft and I have enjoyed flying on it many times.

It was designed for short to medium routes, yet some airlines keep insisting on stretching this to the max, this is not IN MY OPINION a good thing for the reasons that I have already stated. There are plenty of others who have stated that they too would prefer not to cross the pond on this type of aircraft.

The North Atlantic is not a short or medium route unless anyone cares to say otherwise.

 
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RE: Continental 757 Atlantic Crossing

Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:28 pm

It was designed for short to medium routes, yet some airlines keep insisting on stretching this to the max, this is not IN MY OPINION a good thing ...

So Boeing built the B757 for short-to medium routes, but said 'let's thrown in an extra couple thousand miles of range just for fun!'  Innocent


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