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TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:09 am

For no other reason than to satisfy my curiosity, does any one know with some degree of accuracy, how many miles/kilometres are between the crash sites of the TU144 at the Paris Airshow and the Air France Concorde?
It can certainly be argued that these incidents were the beginning of the end for both types, and it would be interesting to know geographically how far apart the two crash sites are.
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Wed Nov 05, 2003 12:55 pm

Probably not that far. The TU-144 officially crashed near Le Bourget. The ill-fated Concorde, after his departure from CDG had intentions of landing at Le Bourget but didn't make it there. So I guess he crashed in the same area as the Tupolev. Just my 2 cents.
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:11 pm

I believe the AF Concorde crashed in Grenoble ???
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:19 pm

They were 8 kilometers apart.
 
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:13 pm

There is about 6 KM ( 3,8 miles ) between the two crash sites.
Concorde crash site is located east of Rnw 26/08 from CDG Airport, on a land belonging to the city of GONESSE.
Concorde crashed at 900m ( 0,6 miles ) from the threshold of Paris-Le Bourget (LBG) Rnw 25/07.

On june 3rd 1973, the Tu-144 crashed on the city of GOUSSAINVILLE, located north of Paris-LBG Airport.
 
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:19 pm

Thats such a weird coincidence that The major reason for the end of the two Supersonic aircrafts was crashes that took place so close to eachother.

I say we allow free reign for all conspiracy theorists on this one, It could be very entertaining.
 
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:26 pm

What about the Turkish Airlines DC-10 crash??

That wasn't that far away either, was it???




 
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:46 pm

Turkish Airlines DC10-10 TC-JAV crashed further north, on march 3rd 1974, in the Forest of ERMENONVILLE.

After taking off from Paris ORLY airport, bound to LHR, the aircraft suffered a major sudden depressurisation while flying at FL 11000 ft.
The depressurisation was caused by the separation of the cargo door.

ERMENONVILLE Forest is located north-est of CDG airport, approx. 35km ( 22 miles ) north-east of GONESSE.
 
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:25 am

"It can certainly be argued that these incidents were the beginning of the end for both types" - I'd say, it was much more so for Concorde than for Tu144. Concorde was never back to what it was before that day - certainly, not only because of the crash, but that was one of the major reasons (BTW, if it was not a fatal crash but an emergency landing at LBG... even still in flames, the airframe eventually lost but the passengers/crew evacuated... I think, it would be much different then and, who knows, may be that one thing would be enough still to see the bird in the sky today). As for Tu144, it entered service after the crash (4 years later), and I see no difference if there was no crash at all - the design was still too far from being reliable and complete, so no chance to fly even to Eastern Europe, in the same time it was OK to start flying with passengers on the only route inside the USSR. Even another crash by itself was not the reason why the whole program was canceled but the fact that the aircraft was a technical failure and waste of resources even for the 100% state-owned Soviet economy. At least, the program was closed in, I believe, 1984 - 11 years after the first and 6 years after the second crash - so, they still tried to do something... Plus, none of the two Tu144 crashes was with passengers - the aircraft was "lucky" to be absolutely safe in airline service. A very important point in compare to Concorde crash...
 
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:54 am

What was the second TU-144 crash? I only knew about the Paris crash.  Confused
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:37 pm

Actually, the exact date is unknow, but it was around MAY 1978.

The Tu144 was used by Aeroflot to carry mail between Moscow SVO and Alma Ata (ALA), today ALMATY/Kazakhstan. Services started december 1975.

A PAX service on the same route SVO-ALA operated briefly between Nov.77 and June 78.
A Tu144 crashed out of Moscow in May 78 (?). Another is supposed to have made a crash landing in Kazakhstan, at the same period. None of these two aircrafts were carrying PAX.
 
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Concorde

Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:22 pm

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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:20 pm

"I believe the AF Concorde crashed in Grenoble ??? "
Just for Info. Grenoble is located in the french Alps. That is the opposite direction (east) than the destination of the crashed AF flight (NYC).
 
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RE: TU-144 & Concorde Paris Crash Sites

Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:20 pm

sorry, by 'Genosse' i actually mean 'Gonesse' - sorry; for someone with an A-level in french im really poor!!

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