Leneld
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Alaska And PDX

Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:06 pm

How come Alaska/Horizon doesn't fly to Reno from Portland?
 
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:20 pm



$$$$$$$$$$$$$$........Probably...lack of for them.
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Leneld
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:28 pm

That's really interesting because Southwest has several flights to Reno...I'm really surprised that Alaska doen't serve Reno anymore...Maybe Horizon might pick up the route....
 
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:27 pm

I didnt know they had a lack of service in that market.
 
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:00 am

AS once offered nonstop RNO-PDX service, but the market never developed the way the company had hoped.
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:41 am

RNO (and Las Vegas) have notoriously low yields, and while the PDX-RNO service had decent loads, a large percentage of the flights were made up by connecting pax (Oregon, S Wash, N Calif, Idaho and the handful of bargain hunters that couldn't get on the N/S out of Seattle), driving the yields down even further. As AS and QX were both ramping up Mexico and California service, they decided they could better utilize the planes elsewhere.

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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:38 am

i remember back when alaska, southwest, and allegiant all flew reno-pdx. alaska pulled out, allegiant air then downsized their operations, alaska went back in, and wasn't back in the reno-pdx market very long. wonder how a crj70 or a q400 would perform on the route compared to the 737 or md80
 
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 8:16 am

The DOT numbers show an Average one-way fare for RNO-PDX in the 4th Qtr of 2003 of $77. Distance of the route is 444 miles. As a comparison, SAN-SFO is 447 miles but had an average fare of $122 one way.
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 8:19 am

Unrelated topic, but QX just announced they're dropping SEA-CLM after January 6, 2004. No mention of where that equipment will be reallocated, though.
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 8:36 am

Thanks for the news but which airport is CLM?
 
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 8:40 am

CLM = Port Angeles, WA
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:06 am

WOW nomore Port Angeles. I wouldnt have ever thought of that! I wonder what happened for QX to just suspend all flights instead of reducing. You know I get the feeling QX just isn't the regional airline of Seattle anymore.
 
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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:15 am

QX still is...One of the factors maybe time...I can DRIVE from Seattle to Port Angeles in just under 2 hours...After going thru security..and check in..and the cost..it might be more convienient to drive..also Seattle is starting to get back more of the cruise ship business, that used to go to P.A.

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RE: Alaska And PDX

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:29 am

Here's the official press release:

Horizon to discontinue Port Angeles flights

Horizon Air announced today the discontinuation of all service from Port Angeles, Wash., after Jan. 6, 2004.

"It's with great regret that we leave Port Angeles, where we've been part of the community since 1987," said Pat Zachwieja, vice president, Marketing and Planning. "This was not an easy decision and not without a great deal of thought and analysis of other alternatives. I would like to thank our Port Angeles employees who have dedicated themselves to outstanding customer service and our customers in Clallam County who have supported us there through the years."

Last year, Horizon enplaned 22,339 passengers at Port Angeles on its four daily flights between Port Angeles and Seattle with 37-seat Q200 turboprops. Over the past 12 months, flights from Port Angeles have averaged 44 percent full, well below Horizon's system-wide average of 63 percent for the same period.

Over the past four months, Horizon operated 99 percent of its scheduled flights from Port Angeles and maintained a 98 percent on-time record.

Most passengers who fly from Port Angeles make connections to other major carriers at Sea-Tac, particularly Alaska Airlines.

Short-distance routes operated by Horizon are often unprofitable on a stand-alone basis. However, the additional ticket revenue gained when passengers connect to longer haul flights on Horizon and Alaska can usually offset those losses. In the case of Port Angeles, a combination of low load factors, downward pressure on long-haul fares, and rising costs has kept the route unprofitable.

Zachwieja said he believes government-imposed fees and airport facility charges that now add an additional $18.50 roundtrip for a connecting flight are partially responsible for people choosing to drive to Sea-Tac rather than fly from Port Angeles.

"For a family of four, that's $74 more in taxes to fly from Port Angeles, plus the extra cost for the connecting flight -- which is also taxed by the federal government," he said. "It's difficult for us to charge more for our tickets from Port Angeles when the government is taking such a large chunk already."

No plans for additional flying in existing or new markets have been decided at this time, according to Zachwieja.

Horizon currently employs 10 customer services employees at Port Angeles.

"We want to do everything we can to help these individuals during the transition, and we'll work closely with them to identify any potential opportunities they want to pursue," said Marne McCluskey, director of employee resources. "They have already been guaranteed positions in Seattle as ground services agents, and they are also welcome to apply for any posted positions at Horizon or Alaska for which they are qualified. We hope to see them continue to be a part of our company."

Customers holding tickets for travel to or from Port Angeles on Horizon Air after Jan. 6, 2004, will be re-accommodated on flights out of Seattle or offered refunds.

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