asianguy767
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A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:15 pm

Both CX and PR are huge operators of A340 family so...

I wonder will CX order the A340-500 for its JFK operations? I know it currently flies HKG-YVR-JFK-YVR-HKG daily using its B744.

Also, will PR order the A340-500 for its LAX and SFO operations and up the frequency to daily and finally do away with the HNL stopover on the way back?

 
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:25 pm

I asked the same a few days ago, someone told me that TG will get three 345's.

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gigneil
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:36 am

CX ordered the A346 for HKG-JFK, a route it is perfectly suited to handle, and has yet to offer the service.

The SARS crisis didn't do wonders for it.

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 2:48 am

someone told me that TG will get three 345's.

They already got them.


MH is a hot candidate for either the A345 or 772LR, and has expressed past interest in both.

The Japanese and Koreans really dont have much need for C-Class aircraft (probably the only realistic route they'd be needed on would be NRT/ICN-JNB)... but they're more likely to go 772LR in such an event.

MU may someday have the market for PVG-JNB, they'd be likely to choose A345.

And of course, there's GF in Middle East Asia.
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:57 am

What cities will be served by TG A345's? Guessing LAX-BKK, maybe JFK or ORD thrown in there?
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:03 am

LAX, as it's TG's only N.American destination.


The buzz from the bees is that TG plans to open BKK-FRA-JFK with a 744, but nothing is in stone.
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gigneil
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:07 am

The buzz has been that TG wants to offer BKK-JFK as a priority. We'll see what happens.

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:53 am

TG has an edge over SQ for nonstop flights to JFK as the flight from BKK would be shorter in distance and thus less flying time which all equates to less weight penalty?

I think MH is the next best candidate for either the A345 or B772LR.

Both has commonality and so it will be interesting to see their decision. If they want it fast to compete with TG and SQ for nonstop North America flights then I think they can get the A345s way before the B772LR which hasn't even started test flights yet.

Either one would suit them well I believe, although personally I would like to see it be the A345.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:11 am

MH was one of the most fervent proponents for Boeing to create a C-market 772..... but they, along with AA, werent thrilled in the least that RR didnt have what it takes to get on the 777NG bandwagon.

So could really go either way: the 772LR having [expected] weight and range advantage; the A345 having availability and engine advantage.
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:16 am

Well, expected? Maybe too early to say. but time will tell considering the B773ER has met expectations and slighly better than expected.

But I think later production models of A345s with the new lighter wings might have the A346HGW's improvements incorporated? If Airbus actually does that then it might further increase the range of the A345s.

But IIRC, the B772LR actually has longer published legs than the A345 by about 500km I think.

It is interesting to see how it all turns out.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:39 am

If Airbus actually does that then it might further increase the range of the A345s.

either that, or catch up to the expectations promised at launch  Laugh out loud



But IIRC, the B772LR actually has longer published legs than the A345 by about 500km I think.

Nope, nearly double that actually:


772LR's expected range: 10,553mi/16,983km
A345's published range: 9,954mi/16,020kn

....the 777NG is expected to have a 963km great range.
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:55 am

If the ETOPS330 does not succeed, then will ETOPS 180 be sufficient for the 18 hr transpac LAX-KUL?
 
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:59 am

LAX-KUL is an extremely southern route by the great circle. No ETOPS concerns with 180.

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:03 am

Even if ETOPS330 clearance doesnt come (would be interesting to see why not, as all such test flights thus far have been tremendous successes).... Boeing can always shoot for 240 (rather worthless, but still better than no increase  Big grin)
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:05 am

With regards to PR, it would be nice to see the A345/A346 in their fleet, however this will not happen. The carrier is just having financial difficulties, therefore not any time soon. They are recieving their 5th 744 to complement on the LAX route as well as the Narita route, which will be a dedicated 744 service route.

Now, my question is can the A346 make MNL-LAX-MNL non stop in both ways with full load?

would a 744ER make MNL-LAX non stop in both ways with full load?

if the later can do both ways then i think it would be more suitable to PR than the A346 because of its commonality with the rest of the B744 (ie GE engines).

Also, can the A346 make MNL-EWR with full load both ways?

so which aircraft would be more suitable to PR if they where going to get either the A345 or A346?

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:22 am

MNL-LAX should be no problem at all for either the 346 or the 744ER.

MNL-EWR isn't quite so realistic for either... the 345 could do it eyes shut, as could the 772LR.

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:43 am

would a 744ER make MNL-LAX non stop in both ways with full load?

As could the lower MTOW 744 itself. The offset in price vs. payload may be worth it to an airline of PR's means.
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:07 pm

very strong rumour that BI may get a few 345s and 343s possible delivery in april.
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:27 pm

However rumour on BI has died and changed its course in opposite direction

All plans on A343s and A345s have been cancelled and new destinations or non stop flights to Europe using the A345s have been put off reason being the lack of crew.

Don't know how true this is. And it seems that those 2 supposedly-AC A345s have now been allocated to EK instead of going to BI as mentioned... I am not sure if EK is to pick up those 2 birds.

All in all they are just rumours.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:32 pm

TG will start operations with the A345 in 2005. A346 operations will commence next year. Their A345s will fly BKK-JFK, not sure where the A346s will go, probably europe.

Don't know of any other asian airlines expressing interest in either the A345 or 346 but Iran Air has been looking at the Air Canada A345s parked at Chateauroux. We were supposed to have used those airplanes for aircraft training (as part of the initial SIA A345 crew) but the deal fell through because the Iranians were looking the airplanes over at that time.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:49 pm

TG does not operate A340 and has no plans too
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:57 pm

Yes, they do.

As already mentioned, TG ordered 3 A340-500s and 5 A340-600s earlier this year.

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:23 am

but Iran Air has been looking at the Air Canada A345s parked at Chateauroux

How could they aquire them? Would even a wet-lease be "allowed"?
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:15 am

Well, Garuda should get the A345 or 772LR... allow for Bali to Europe non stop... Currently, there's no advantage for pax to fly to Bali from Europe on GA instead of SQ/MH/TG as GA has stop somewhere... in some circumstances, 2 stops.

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:21 am

Well, Garuda should get the A345 or 772LR...

Considering that they already have GE90-powered 772ERs on order for 2006 delivery, switching them to 772LR wouldnt be a difficult task if they felt they needed C-market capacity.
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:32 am

Yes, that is true indeed. I'm saying SHOULD... not saying they will... The 772ER order is still in Limbo, there's talk here that it may even be further delayed until 2008... Plus GA still has an option on 3 A333s... but not convertible to A345s...  Sad

772ER would be forcing it to go DPS-FRA direct...

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:51 am

How would Iran Air benefit on the A345?

wouldnt they be better off with the A346?

And how in the world would they be able to get clearance to get that aircraft (2 ex AC A345), isnt there a lot of components on these aircrafts made in the US?

Not that I wont be happy that they'll be getting much needed aircraft replacements, im just curious.

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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:01 am

The folks from Iran Air were just there to give the airplanes a once over. With the number of sanctions against that country, I'm sure any opportunity to acquire new aircraft would be explored. Talking about restricted parts on the A345... I just learnt that the digital standy instruments on the A345 (Calle the ISIS) requires a special clearance for export to non-NATO countries. Singapore Airlines has not received such clearance and are wondering what to do about it! Hope they won't revert to the old 3 analog gauge layout of the A343 "Classic"! That would be a step in the wrong direction.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:07 am

...yet another reason to question just how long SQ plans to hold on to those A340s  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:11 am

>...yet another reason to question just how long SQ plans to hold on to those >A340s

Until Boeing comes up with a trade in deal for spanking new B777-300ERs of course!
 
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RE: A340-500 For Other Asian Carriers?

Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:13 am

Throw in a few 772LRs of course... they werent candid about the pumping up of that aircraft's expected specs being mostly aimed at SIA.
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