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Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:00 am

In a report released by Reuters, Song is doing better than forecasted and subsequently is going to take on more 757's from Delta mainline in the near future to help supplement it's growth. The full report is here:

http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2003/11/06/rtr1139092.html

My question is: Will Song leeching aircraft from it's parent company eventually cause problems for DL in the way of aircraft/scheduling? DL has a relatively large 757 fleet and if Song is going to require more and more of them this will eventually cause problems will it not? Anyone form the inside know what Delta plans to do about this (what are future projections/plans saying)?

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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:13 am

DL has been replacing their "missing" 757s with 738s. They get similar performace while adjusting to a slightly lower capacity aircraft.
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:22 am

DL is not receiving any more 737's as of now (according to Boeing's site, unless they are leasing them from ILFC, GECAS, or whomever else). I know that the stored/ex-Express 737-200's are coming back into full-swing wiht mainline to supplement capacity there. Eventually, down the line there are going to be capacity/scheduling issues because of a lack of aircraft (and the 738 is a step down in capacity from the 757). I hope I'm making my point clear enough.

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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:25 am

Eventually, down the line though there are going to be capacity/scheduling issues though because of a lack of aircraft (and the 738 is a step down in capacity from the 757). I hope I'm making my point clear enough

You are, but I guess I wasn't making my point very clear. DL has been using their EXISTING 738s to replace the 757s that have been going over to Song. Since there is actually excess capacity (too many planes chasing too few customers) in the mainline fleet right now, this "rightsizing" permits DL to offer slightly fewer seats on existing mainline routes (meaning higher yields) while putting the 757s over to Song where they can make even more money.
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:26 am

I don't think it will cause problems for mainline DL.

If I'm not mistaken, Song is replacing Delta on some routes, so there is mainline DL shrinking. In other markets, such as some out of DFW, mainline is disappearing and being replaced by DL Connection with more frequencies. This frees up aircraft to replace the aircraft going to Song. Delta is shrinking capacity on some routes, taking 757 to 737-800 and 737-800/MD-88 to 737-200. It appears that while 757s go to Song, they are replaced with smaller aircraft, and those smaller aircraft are replaced with even smaller aircraft operating more frequently (DL Connection).
 
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:29 am

I can see where you are going EA CO AS and Jason. Thank you for your insight  Smile
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:36 am

As EA CO AS stated, Delta is replacing the B757 (mainline) flights with either B738 or B732 aircraft, plus a few Connection RJs for good measure.

Now, instead of having one B757 (and only one option for the pax), DL can run a B732 & maybe two RJs. This gives the pax three flights to choose from, while DL does not lose any seats on that market. The cost is close enough to the same that it becomes a win-win situation for Delta.

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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:38 am

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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:06 am

Hey Guys-
What do you think will ultimately happen to the 732 and 733 ? I know they're bringing the 732's back from the desert to compensate for taking the 757 from mainline to Song (and why not if you've got the market?), but for how long ? I understand the theory and agree that the CRJ's are going to play more and more of a role(if they're not already). Is it possible that down the line they could use the 738 as more of a "workhorse" in place of the 757 and the CRJ in place of the 738 where the market makes it viable, say after and if they do away with the 732, 733 and MD-88 ?
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:10 am

The 733s are seeing lots of work in the Shuttle markets, where they've replaced the 738s (which replaced the 757s that went to Song).
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:15 am

I'd have to say, I wouldn't mind seeing B738s replace the MD-88s.

The MD88 is not my favorite airplane to work, as its harder to load than most (both bags and pax). Unfortunately, we have well over a hundred Mad Dogs, so it would take quite a while to replace them all.

The B732 fill a niche for Delta---the 100-120 seat market, so I expect to see them flying for quite awhile. With Song taking more of the B757s away from mainline, this just puts more of an emphasis on the smaller jets to step up and take their place. Even before Song came into the picture, we saw more and more B757 markets being replaced with B738s, so I think that it was Delta's intentions all along.

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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 2:39 pm

It IS alarming to see the amount of mainline 757's drop..I notice it in ATL, I miss the masses of 757 tails. Shame to see the market shrinking to smaller and smaller platforms, but more in quantity.

Question: When things get better, might Delta ask Boeing to keep the 757 line up, or perhaps get some of those ex. National 757's? Might be a good move to buy the whole lot.

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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 2:56 pm

If B757s are going over to Song at such a rate . . . are any of them in hybrid AA/Song livery, or are they all in Song's beautiful livery before going into service with the latter?

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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 3:02 pm

Yeah, Song is doing so well that today DL announced the 150 mechanics it retained from furlough to work on Song modifications on the 757s would be permanantly furloughed Jan 5, 2004. If they do add more planes, not only will the DL paint disappear but so will more employess.
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:54 pm

How would more 757 going to Song result in more mechanic layoffs? Those 150 mechanics were to be let go in the spring of 03. They were able stay working only because the planes were being converted to Song. Song's maintenace is still done by Delta mechanics.
 
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:21 pm

Okay, this story is going to be a little discombobulated but let me try to get it right...the other day my roommate, who is the Line Maintenance manager for a major carrier, told me about a maintenance crew that needed to replace the wing on an A/C in Hawaii. Well, they didn't have many spare wings lying around, but they DID have another A/C that had been w/o. They took the wing from that plane and put it on the other plane. The "replacement" was three feet shorter than the other wing - but it did just fine. I know, I know...I don't have many details...but I don't think my roommie would be too happy if I went and woke him up at 4am to ask questions!

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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:23 pm

Whoooooooops! I cannot believe I just posted to the wrong board! How did I do that? LOLLLLLL! Time for me to go to bed!!! Good night!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Song Doing Better Than Forecasted-more Planes

Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:55 pm

Will Song EVER offer more flights out of its Atlanta base then just to NYC????
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