Jupiter
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WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:10 pm

The flight from ORD to SEA seems to be ridiculously late by up to three hours everyday!

I plan on flying that flight pretty soon and I am mad now.

Its supposed to get into SEA at 546 but has been getting in there close to 9pm!

How is a guy supposed to rent a car?!

It says it is late do to PLANE SERVICING?





Duh I just dont get this one. EVERYDAY?

I am NOT against UAL I just want to know why this keeps happening.
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:22 pm

It's those Russian made clocks they have that screw up the whole system!  

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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:26 pm

Funny but I really want an answer to this




 
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:33 pm

The best guesses that I can give are:

1. That the aircraft was delayed upon departure from a different (European) city, and wasn't allowed enough time be serviced (same as yours).
2. The crew working that flight have been scheduled with their flying hours too close, and by law, they must have their legal rest (which is pretty notorious for delays).

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Jupiter
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Thanks

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:37 pm

An intelligent answer doth the heart good, so my heart thanks you.


The flight in question is a DC10. However, when I take it it will be this Saturday. For that day Flt 943 will be a 757 from ORD to SEA.

I wonder if that will affect things.
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:39 pm

I don't work for UA so this is gonna be pretty tough but here goes....

UA 943 CDG (Paris)-ORD (Chicago) 12:02pm 1:35pm
[B777-200]

ORD (Chicago)-SEA (Seattle) 4:04pm 5:56pm

The answer to your question is probably this:

Paris CDG is hugely congested so this flight nearly always leaves late. It arrives in Chicago at precisely the evening rush period, has to dump its full huge load of international pax and all there tons of luggage, then taxi out of the international concourse. When all is said and done and passengers for ORD-SEA are loaded, it will proabably be 15th in line for takeoff.

This is my best guess.


 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:44 pm

Is there a change of a/c from the CDG-ORD and ORD-SEA legs?

Hang on...lemme check

Yup there is....from 777 to 757 so everything I just wrote above is bullshit. Sorry
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:45 pm

Or another possible reason:

United just doesn't do that great of a job with on-time arrival/departures?!

FLY777UAL
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 12:51 pm

Can it be? The great FLY777UAL shedding light on a potential weakness with his beloved airline?
Just kidding  

I think it'd be interesting to check the ontime departures of everything out of ORD leaving at that time. If I'm bored enough I just might do it.
Stay tuned and visit scenic Winnipeg.
 
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Lie To Me If You Have To

Wed Jan 05, 2000 1:00 pm

but tell me that since Flt 943 on Saturday will be a 757 not a DC10 or 777 that it might leave earlier because it wont be an international one.


If I do get there and the flight is delayed, I will

A) Be prepared

B) Explore ORD

C) Not let the UAL FA's act like its a rare event




 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 1:01 pm

We prefer not to call it a "potential weakness", but a, "damn big problem".  

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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 1:09 pm

In response to HZ-AKFs statement, he is probably correct in that the arriving flight is delayed and therefore the connecting passengers coming from CDG are also delayed and that UAL wants to keep those passengers on the same flight instead of having 20 or so people upset because they "missed" their flight. That is my best guess  

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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 1:18 pm

I had the same problem with US Airways flight 894. This flight originates at CLT, stops in PHL, before continuing onto FRA.

Every Friday, this flight was late. After the fourth consecutive week, I started getting a little upset. The gate supervisor told me that th problem was that most of their international flights come into PHL and then continue onto CLT. There are a few that go to PIT then onto CLT, and a few go directly to CLT. Well, this means that most of their 767s come into CLT in a period of a few hours. Keep in mind that all of their 767s are maintained at their CLT base. That means when an aircraft is due for a C-check, they have problems getting the aircraft ready to depart.
 
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In That Case

Wed Jan 05, 2000 1:24 pm

I dont mind if they hold back the flight for that reason. Connecting flights cant be perfect.


Can someone tell me why 943 is supposed to be a 757 but today was a DC10?

What causes them to upgrade like that to a larger plane?

Personally I wish it was a 777 and not a DC10

But I was lucky enough to fly on the international 777 with the sleepr suite seats from SEA to ORD instead of the other one with the old first class seats.

Delays are inevitable I suppose but is there a way to guard myself against this? Granted ANY flight out of ORD is not a grea idea but I bought that flight for fear that the prices were going to skyrocket ($178 roundtrip from PVD to SEA is a great deal) I also bought it cause the other airlines had lousy flight choices in comparison.

Turboprops (in winter?!) and out of the way connections (Houston, San Francisco) made me choose the UAL flight.


I bet it will be a DC1O I ride on then since it will be a Saturday.


Are they kept up good? NWA's were enough to give one nightmares.
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 1:45 pm

Well here's a good question...Jupiter...where are you getting your info? How many flights have you tracked that say it's late?

I know UA usually ranks in the middle or bottom, but I am 1K and my flights arrive on-time 90% of the time.
 
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My Info

Wed Jan 05, 2000 2:00 pm

I get my info from the UAL website.

I get my info from Trip.com Flight Tracker.

UAL itself lists the percentages of on time info on its site.

That particular flight is listed at being only 50 % on time.

I should say that I really like United and fly on them when I can.

I have been studying my flight since I bought my ticket.

A 155 minute late start tends to stand out when it is seen several days in a row. So I wanted to know why.

UAL is not the only airline that has a 50% level on some flights.

USAirways and AA have them as well. Infact AA has some flights that they wont even release the data.


But since I am flying on Flt 943 on UAL I thought I would ask.



Flight tracker from Trip.com lists Flt 943 as a DC10 not a 757 like the UAL website said it would be.

And it is listed as having arrived Seattle again over two hours late.
 
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Also

Wed Jan 05, 2000 2:07 pm

I will continue to fly UAL even if my flight is delayed.

My Aunts flight on Delta was delayed four hours (they said it was because of weather in BOS) Funny how other planes took off on time)

My folks USAirways flight got in about 1.5 hours late do to a canceled flight to BOS affecting a flight to PVD so they could load passengers on. (Their 737 flight because a 757 flight because of that)

My last UAL flight was fine as far as time even in bad weather. It was a different time though than my current choice. I was actually VERY impressed with how UAL operated out of ORD. Far smoother than expected.

However, I just want to make sure I can rent a car in SEA "whenever" we arrive there.
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 2:27 pm

The rental car agencies at SeaTac airport should be open 24 hours a day so don't worry about it. Even with the late arrival (around 8:30 pm) most things are open at this time.

For what its worth, the UAL website gave this reason for today's late (144 min late) departure:

"Flight time changed due to aircraft servicing"

You figure it out....the D10 used on this route was probably due to unscheduled maintenance on the 757 involved. The inbound leg from CDG was only 26 min late so this couldn't have accounted for the late departure.
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 2:39 pm

Usually on UA when theres a direct flight to/from an international destination, they NEVER use the same aircraft. For example, UA943 CDG-ORD-SEA the CDG-ORD is a 777 then there's a plane change ORD-SEA being another type of a/c usually a 757 767 A319/20. Another good example UA815 ORD-LAX-SYD, ORD-LAX is a 757 or A319 the LAX-SYD is 747-400. Airlines have direct flights, which means one stop and possible plane change, because of marketing reason.

Most likely, when the flight was suppose to arrive from ORD to SEA, it will turn for another flight, therefore, it CANNOT possibly wait for misconnects that long.
Aircraft servicing in UA computer mean "mechanical problems." Furthermore, it is most likely that something was wrong with that DC10, since it's a very old aircraft. Another reason that might cause the delay for yesterday's flight is because ORD has ATC problems. I know that yesterday, ORD was on a ground stop, which means the airport was closed for awhile due to the congestion and the weather condition in ORD. When that happens, it screws up a lot of flights because the inbound a/c that will turn for another flight will be arriving late.

I hope this helps.
 
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Thanks For The Info Everyone

Wed Jan 05, 2000 2:47 pm

I can sleep now.

I just wanted to make sure I would be able to rent a car when I got to SEA. Now that I can, I dont mind if it is late.

ORD is a cool airport to wander around in.

Now if the delay was in PVD I would pull my hair out!

But looking at all the international birds in ORD while I wait for my flight knowing I can rent a car when I arrive in SEA....

Thats fine by me.

 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Wed Jan 05, 2000 2:50 pm

Sometimes the inbound international aircraft are of the same type of the continuing domestic leg but it is usually never the exact same aircraft.

For example US 3, FCO-PHL-LAX is all by 762 but the aircraft from FCO-PHL and PHL-LAX are different.

I wonder which a/c (the 757 or D10 was broken in this case). The answer is probably the 757 beyond immediate repair and the D10 that was eventually fixed. Do UAL keep a bunch of D10's around ORD that they use for a/c breakdowns?
 
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Not To Open Up A Can Or Worms

Wed Jan 05, 2000 3:55 pm

But now I remember when I was flying back from SEA to PVD and we had a stopover in ORD. I remember seeing Flt 943 with a problem (I think it was delayed) and sthe aircraft sitting there was a DC10 too.

I remember that it was scheduled to go to SEA because I had left SEA and really really was sad that I had left and very much wanted to go back that second and toyed with the thought of how hard it would be to sneak on a flight back to SEA. (Then I realized my luggage was on another flight and I just soberly decided to fly back to SEA when I ended my job.)


But Flt 943 was having problems then. Delayed for several hours and a DC10 sitting there.


Where is BUZZ when we need him to do a search for what the problem is with that flight?


Oh Buzz?
 
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Jupiter, Your Aircraft Will Be..

Wed Jan 05, 2000 4:10 pm

Jupiter, your flight will indeed be a 757-200.
The aircraft currently scheduled for this Saturday is N506UA, ship 5406.
Ill check the computer again if I remember to see if it has changed.
Let me know if I'm right!

-Paul
 
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RE: Jupiter, Your Aircraft Will Be..

Wed Jan 05, 2000 4:29 pm

and the movie will be "For the Love of the Game"

Isnt technology great?!  


Thanks a bunch for the plane #

I will let you know if it is the 757.
 
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Movie

Wed Jan 05, 2000 7:14 pm

I saw that on ZK-NBC an Air NZ 767-200 Auckland to Sydney on Sunday.

Don'r even waste your time its a soppy love story movie.

Best Regards

Bradley Mortimer
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RE: Movie

Thu Jan 06, 2000 5:41 am

Darn and I have an aisle seat too.

Oh well. I will just work on my plays.


Thanks!


Perhaps I should keep a log on how many times my elbow gets hit while someone walks down the aisle?

And I keep it tucked too. God, some of these people they pass out the second the flight takes off and litterally crumble into the aisle!

Where do they come from?????
 
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RE: WHY Is UAL Flt 943 Late Almost Three Hours Daily?

Thu Jan 06, 2000 6:55 am

Well this is gonna blow your lid....

Status: Arrived Airport: Paris, France (CDG)
Time: Left the Gate 11:43 am (2 min Early)
Gate: V8 Airport: Chicago, IL (ORD)
Time: Flight Arrived at Gate 1:33 pm (2 min Early)
Gate: M7


Status: In Flight Departure Arrival
Airport: Chicago, IL (ORD)
Time: Left the Gate 3:43 pm (1 min Late)
Gate: C17 Airport: Seattle, WA (SEA)
Time: Estimated Arrival 5:44 pm (2 min Early)
Gate: N3

Status: In Flight Departure Arrival
Airport: Chicago, IL (ORD)
Time: Left the Gate 3:43 pm (1 min Late)
Gate: C17 Airport: Seattle, WA (SEA)
Time: Estimated Arrival 5:44 pm (2 min Early)
Gate: N3

Status: In Flight Departure Arrival
Airport: Chicago, IL (ORD)
Time: Left the Gate 3:43 pm (1 min Late)
Gate: C17 Airport: Seattle, WA (SEA)
Time: Estimated Arrival 5:44 pm (2 min Early)
Gate: N3


Its 2 minutes early today!!!!!







 
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Ofcourse Its On Time Now!

Thu Jan 06, 2000 7:43 am

Cause they know people are on to them now!

See what complaining can do!!!

 
 
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Safety Concerns

Thu Jan 06, 2000 9:46 am

This is a good post. A concern from a PRO UAL passenger. For another concern from a PRO UAL passenger, read the latest developments in my "What if I am really not comfortable" post.

It mentions some clear problems with a UAL flight I was on regarding safety.
 
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A/C

Fri Jan 07, 2000 11:25 am

Still sched as a/c 5406. Have a good flight

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