ghost77
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Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Mon Nov 10, 2003 12:16 pm

AVIACSA will retire the B727 from their fleet, starting in January of 2004.

They will start receiveing the 1st from 10th B737-300s, they will phase out 7 727s and 2 B737-200s.

6A is the last passenger airline with B727 in Mexico, now there will be no more 727s in our country... while the B737 increase in the fleets from our airlines.

Apparently they will also be taking 3 B757s by the third q of 2004.

Current fleet:
07 B727-200W
23 B737-200 (1 used for spares) + expecting 2 more to be delivered this year.

I'll cross my fingers to see 6A ending 2004 with:

25 - 3 (they'll retire 2 + one more used for spares = 22 B737-200
10 B737-300
03 B757-200

For a total of 35 aircraft in the fleet!

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Mon Nov 10, 2003 12:42 pm

Hola Ricardo do you know if aerolineas internacionales is still flying? They had some awesome looking 727-100s

regards,
Mario r.
 
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:38 pm

Mario,

LNT went belly up last July.... LL retired the 727s last month.... the only 727s left are the ones from 6A.... the 727 in Mexico it's gone  Sad.

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:22 pm

Gotta fly them before they leave!  Sad It's so sad to see the 27's out... It just happen so suddenly, as ricardo said, with LNT out, the Allegro ones retired only 6A has 727 and I really thought they could keep them for awhile since they are just well maintained (and they look sooo cool with those winglets). It's soo sad...

David.
 
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:04 pm

Ghost: Remember that I told you that about a month ago? Too bad I was right, the 727 is an extraordinary bird (my nickname says it all) and we will surely miss it!

I just got back from Mexico City about two hours ago. I saw a good friend of mine who is a pilot for Aviacsa. He told me things were "HOT" and good things were heard around. I hope so.

In other ideas.... I got to see the awesome 737-700 of AM. Although I just saw it briefly as we were taxiing to 5L (it was at the maintenance hangar) the sight of those HUGE winglets was breathtaking !

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:05 am

Fly727,

Yeap, I remember you told me that the B727 was leaving the fleet... but I think it is for good... the B733s are not new models and probably some of them will be 86-90 if not all productions but it's better than those old 727s.

Things 'HOT' in 6A.... mm are you kidding me??? Big grin Well, hope to see more good things from them!!!

I'm glad you finally saw AM B737 in fact they are flying it daily MEx-CUN-MEx-MTY-MEx.... Strange you haven't seen it at CUN.

Hey, how was your ferry flight???? Nothing new at TLC airport???

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:03 am

Well... nothing really new. Just a lot of bizjets as usual. Freaking windy and cold. I had the chance to check one of the John Tavolta's former planes, a Hawker 125 !!!! Nice metal !

Ferry flight went fine. Travel report already posted in the proper section.

Didn't log in in a while... shocked about the possibility of MX getting kicked out of Scare Alliance, errr Star Alliance.

Awefully bored rite now.

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:44 am

John's Travolta's former planes now in hands with a Mexican owner..?? Cool....

Went to the proper section, nice 'Charters' trip report! I really liked it!!  Big thumbs up

Don't worry about MX.... they got everything under control!!!

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:53 am

Ghost77, I thought they had invested a lot of money on their winglet conversions. Isn't that going to be a waste now. What are they going to do with them? Maybe Cargo conversions?

AR385
 
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:50 pm

Ar385,

I also don't understand why this fast retirement since I think it cost 1 million to fit WLs in each 727.. so they spent 7 millions for just a few months. It would be very nice to see them staying with either 6A or any other airline as freighters! Probably with the WL's modification it will be easier to sell them also, maybe Amerijet... or someone else would make a bid on those 727s.

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:40 pm

Sad to see the 727 out of commercial service in Mexico. Oh well, but good news to see that Aviacsa is growing. Glad that they are adding some 757s to their fleet.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:50 pm

To anybody out there and to a special flying Ghost born in 77:

What is the purpose on the Aviacsa´s planes winglets.? I know they can be a great assett on long haul routes due to the lower fuel consumption they generate and the lower engine power rating of the aircraft due to less wind resistance. But in short haul routes like Aviacsa´s what is their purpose? I mean you see this everywhere. How many Boeing 737G have the winglets in the USA. Besides ATA and Alaska, only Southwest is getting them now, and that´s after years of operating them.

Now, do the Aviacsa also have an engine conversion like the UPS Valsan design? Where they replaced the JT8D and put a RR Tay engine on the number 2 position.?

I´m really curious, I hope you can help me

AR385
 
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:36 pm

Ar385,

I really don't know or probably I'm not the right person to answear your q. but this site might help you a bit:

http://www.quietwing.com/

Take a look to their products and select Performance Improvement..

Ricardo Morales - APM  Smile

BTW: You might find some pictures of Aviacsa's B727-200W!

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:35 pm

Ghost77

Thank you for your answer. I had to phrase the question that way And I',m glad you caught it. I visited those sites you told me, and they present some really unbelievable numbers for increased performanace on the 727 once the WN are installed. I believe it's a rip off. MAybe Aviacsa went for it and now has realised that it's better to get rid of the thing rather than keep paying for the supposed bettered operating costs.

AR385
 
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Sat Nov 15, 2003 8:03 am

..where are the LTN 727s at now? ANy still in their colors?.. how sad, i've always loved the look of mexican 727s. I remember seen the old mesicana w/ different tail colors, the one before with the gold cheatline, Taesa, Aeroexecutivo, Allegro.. all visited MCO & MIA at some point... good memories
 
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:01 am

LNT 727's are having some sort of maintenance at Cuernavaca's airport (which used to be the main base of that airline though). I heard some time ago they were fighting to operate again although with the -200's on a charter basis. Haven't heard from them in a while....

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:59 pm

Ar385,

Yeap., I really don't know if those numbers are correct., but I think they should be.... or they are. I know that Aviacsa and LAB installed their QWS (Quiet Wing System) with that company.

MIAMIx707,

Was at Cuernavaca Airport this week, (Wednesday).... and saw all the fleet of 7 grounded.... maybe, tomorrow Sunday I'll go again., but this time with my camera... if I'm lucky and get good photos, you'll see them in the DB!

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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:11 am

Regarding the message that things were getting HOT inside Aviacsa....
Could the termination of the 727 be the first step to become Alliance-compatible? I've heard of at least one alliance searching for a mexican partner to feed and commute their MEX-flights, and the name Aviacsa was mentioned a lot. Could it be?
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Sun Nov 16, 2003 1:52 am

6A needs a big improvement in order to be alliance compatible, but they are starting to realize that they have a lower cost structure than AM and MX and they can compete face to face with AM and MX with their current size. If they keep opening new routes, sometime in the future we will have the name Aviacsa flying around the offices of the big alliances... MX was a totally different airline before they joined *A. When they signed the code share agreement with UA (7 years ago) there were improvement conditions in the contract. MX incorporated a business class, improved Frecuenta FF Program and started building VIP lounges. Other improvements in reservations systems, personnel training, image, etc. were carried out.

I will love to be an Aviacsa's senior manager right now. With the incorporation of the B737-300's they could also get a simple FF Program, a new image (totally necessary) and some other improvements and they could well be suited to become a big player in the Mexican Airline Industry... then be part of an alliance.
 
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RE: Aviacsa Will Say Good Bye To The B727

Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:35 am

Sad to see that the B727 is being retired from Mexico's skies Sad where are they planning to operate the B757 to?

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