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Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:12 am

Have you guys heard of this one? Working name is "Project Roam"; real name is yet to come. They want to be up and running by June 04 flying 737-700s transcon and to the east as a low fare carrier.

Only problem is, they are still trying to secure funding!


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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:15 am

There was a post about this just a while ago. It is being set up with one of the original founders of America West and Western Pacific, I believe.
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:16 am

On Oct 14th, that announcement was made by Ed Beauvais.
There is a complete string on it for that day.
 
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:22 am

www.flynorthern.com is now the "project roam" website.


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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:40 am

The search function is disabled for posts that far back so i can read it.....

Do you think it has potential?


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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:12 am

In a word...no...if an airline could succeed at PIT, there wouldn't be 35 gates open at the airport like there are now (and 50 of the 65 gates taken are US gates)
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:21 am

I wouldn't say that there's 35 open gates at PIT. More like 3 (one in A and two in the C concourse), the 4 "general use" international gates, and then the 25 E gates whenever they finally stop using them. Either way, that'd be only 28 gates.

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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:28 am

How in the world can Ed Beauvais even get financing for an airline is beyond me!! He bankrupted HP, Western Pacific and National !! Only HP ever made it back out of bankruptcy.

He kind of reminds me of Frank Lorenzo. One that should NEVER be allowed near an airline again!

my two cents worth........

 
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:39 am

According to pitairport.com, the official site:

C55-75, D82, D84, D85, D90-100...exactly 35 gates...

A1-25, B26-50: US Airways
C51, C53: United, both also Midwest Connect
C52, C54: AirTran
D76, D78, D80: Delta
D77, D79: Continental, D79 also America West
D81, D83: Northwest
D86, D87, D88, D89: American, D87 also ATA

Everything else is open
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:42 am

Actually JayDavis, he had nothing to do with National, that was Mike Conway...another founder of HP.

When Western Pacific went under he wasn't in control anymore...he did a fine job with them.

He was very well respected at HP and I would certainly not compare him to Frank Lorenzo....there is absolutely NO comparison. We did not have the labor conflicts when he was in control...like we did when Bill Franke took over (it's ok to compare him to Lorenzo!). Ed had a lot of wonderful ideas, and unfortunately went a little too far with the 747's on HP, but if not for the Gulf Crisis, it might have actually worked. The flights were making money before the gas prices went through the roof.

I hope he does well with his new project, he's very creative and deserves much recognition.

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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:48 am

The whole "Northern Airlines" thing is probably run by someone on this forum. First, the DNS registry info:


Administrative Contact:
Sieber, Timothy northernairlines@aol.com
Northern Airlines
P.O. Box 3940
Syracuse
NY 13220
US
PHONE: +1.3154543600 (FAX) +1.3154543417

Technical Contact:
Sieber, Timothy northernairlines@aol.com
Northern Airlines
P.O. Box 3940
Syracuse
NY 13220
US
PHONE: +1.3154543600 (FAX) +1.3154543417

Zone Contact:
Sieber, Timothy northernairlines@aol.com
Northern Airlines
P.O. Box 3940
Syracuse
NY 13220
US
PHONE: +1.3154543600 (FAX) +1.3154543417

Registrant:
Timothy Sieber
Northern Airlines
P.O. Box 3940
Syracuse
NY 13220
US

Domain: FLYNORTHERN.COM
Registrar: DomainBank.com

Record created on 2002-04-26
Record expires on 2004-04-26
Database last updated Mon Nov 10 14:35:29 EST 2003

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.MYDOMAIN.COM
NS2.MYDOMAIN.COM
NS3.MYDOMAIN.COM
NS4.MYDOMAIN.COM


--- End DNS Registry Info ---

When you go to the Project Roam website, you can see that the domain name is virtually hosted since it draws all of its info from this directory: http://www.citlink.net/~rubenstein/Roam/

This is merely a subdirectory of the "root" http://www.citlink.net/~rubenstein/, which happens to also host a website here that is obviously nothing more than a modest front page for an aviation-enthusiast's personal website, but it is apparently for a company called Shadowfax Communications.

So if this Jeff Rubenstein character is running the marketing campaign for an upstart airline, God bless him. He's probably a busy guy. But even beyond a cursory glance, it surely looks like a virtual airline to me!
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:30 am

According to pitairport.com, the official site:

C55-75, D82, D84, D85, D90-100...exactly 35 gates...

A1-25, B26-50: US Airways
C51, C53: United, both also Midwest Connect
C52, C54: AirTran
D76, D78, D80: Delta
D77, D79: Continental, D79 also America West
D81, D83: Northwest
D86, D87, D88, D89: American, D87 also ATA

Everything else is open


The site is wrong. There are not 100 gates at PIT. Despite it saying that Concourse D is gates 76-100, D only runs gates 76 through 89. Concourse C doesn't have gates 51-75 - only 51-61.

Therefore, the gate situation looks more like this:

A1 - A25 (25 gates) - US Airways Express

B26 - B50 (25 gates) - US Airways

C51 - Air Canada Jazz, Midwest Connect, United
C53 - United
C52, C54 - AirTran
C55 - C61 - General use international gates
(gates C62-C75 don't exist)

D76, D78, D80 - Delta
D77 - Continental
D79 - America West, Continental
D81, D83, D85 - Northwest
D82, D84 - vacant
D86, D88, D89 - American
D87 - American, ATA
(gates D90-D100 don't exist)

Really, the only vacant gates are D82 and D84.
 
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:32 am

SHU:

Not to be argumentative, but C only goes up to 61, so I'm assuming that you mean C57 instead of C75.

And D only goes up to 89, so I'm not sure what you mean by D90-100.

Additionally, last time I was at the airport, NW was also using D85, UA was boarding a flight out of C55 and USA3000 was using either D82 or 84 (in fact they have a sign up at which ever gate they use, so it's not like the usual "there's an open gate, let's use it charter."

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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:38 am

as for the website being hosted by some enthusiast guy, look at what is happening with flyted.com for UniTED's new airline: the hosting traces back to some guy who works as a tech at an ad agency. They know that people will trace this stuff so they try to hide their real identity until the time is right for the roll out......


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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:51 am

Bruce, I have been following this very closely, & the other day there was an article about Beauvais stating he could buy the certificate of another carrier & get the operation going much sooner than what it would normally take. (He did this very thing at HP, when he bought the operating certificate of Hawaiian Pacific Airlines) Apparantly this city of PIT is letting him write his own ticket there, and will provide him with gates to operate his new airline.
I have copied the previous article I saw below.



Proposed discount airline will raise $100 million, officials say
November 06, 2003 5:03 PM
Imperial, Pennsylvania
One of two executives wanting to bring a low-cost airline to Pittsburgh International Airport says he and his partner expect to raise more than 100 million dollars.

The two also believe they'll get fast-track regulatory approvals and will have jets flying by June.

Although it generally takes about 18 months for the Federal Aviation Administration to approve a new airline's operating license, executive Travis Tanner says he and Edward Beauvais (boo-VAY') can get one sooner by acquiring another airline's license.

F-A-A officials say they've heard nothing about those plans since Tanner and Beauvais announced the new airline on October 14th.

Beauvais co-founded America West Airlines and served as its chairman from 1981 to 1992 -- a year after America West filed for bankruptcy. Beauvais left Western Pacific in 1996 and the airline liquidated in 1998 after filing for bankruptcy.




 
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:47 am

They know that people will trace this stuff so they try to hide their real identity until the time is right for the roll out......

Bruce, check out the Ted revealed thread to show how a couple geeks figured out what UA was actually up to.  Big grin

This in no way compares to what UA did, e.g. having their patent lawyer register the name, host the DNS entry on their own server (the key to exposing what flyted.com was), etc. Honestly, he hasn't hidden a thing.
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RE: Possible New Airline At PIT

Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:59 am

Nts, N670: I guess I'm wrong...that website needs to be corrected then...
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