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US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:28 am

Story:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031110/dcm060_1.html

- New service between Orlando and Buffalo (BUF), Syracuse (SYR), Albany (ALB), Hartford (BDL), and Providence (PVD).

- Saturday-only

- All flights will use 737-300.


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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:35 am

Rochester gets snubbed again! Whay am I not surprised?
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:46 am

Interesting...could US be trying to turn MCO into a focus city and this being the first step??

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John
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:50 am

Well....WHOOPDEEEEFRIGGINDO....:roll: Saturday only?? OK...UMMMM...I don't believe there's any nonstop service to any SOUTH Florida airports from these cities (exception:BDL)!! MCO flights are a dime a dozen!

[Edited 2003-11-10 22:53:51]
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:03 am

There was a time when all of those cities (?) had daily MCO flights on US, and the "Saturday only" flights from MCO went to cities like Harrisburg.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:09 am

Were these flights operated by MetroJet at some point?
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:36 am

Why Orlando? To join with everyone else? I agree with John, how about trying it from MIA or FLL? Of those markets, MIA/FLL only have non-stops to DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">BDL (AA from MIA; DL from FLL; both twice daily) and SYR (TM from FLL; 6w). The O&D market between Miami and Buffalo is over 300 a day, while Miami and Providence is over 700 a day (the largest Miami O&D market not served non-stop). Miami and Albany is over 200 a day.

For some reason, a lot of carriers, most notably Southwest, snub the Miami-Northeast market, which makes up for it's smaller numbers compared to MCO with likely higher yields. Thankfully we have jetBlue. They recently confirmed that FLL-BUF/ROC/SYR are in the cards for the near future.
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:48 am

With Mexicana most likely out of the star alliance i think US should start to re-evaluate it's role at MIA. I don't they should try to make a focus city but i definitely think they should increase service and start new service to the caribbean.

However, i do think US needs to take back all the traffic it has lost at MCO in the past 5 or so years. But, starting 1 x weekly service to these cities isn't helping much. At least 2 or 3 should be daily and the others should be 2 or 3x weekly. Also US should look into BOS/LGA-MCO, MIA, FLL.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:51 am

the folks here in PVD (while happy to ge the sat. only US service) have been actively trying (almost desperately) to get FLL/MIA/PBI service. No one can figure why it doesn't happen. The numbers are there!
PVD-MIA 120 pax per day
PVD-FLL 500 pax per day
PVD-PBI 360 pax per day

PVD-south Florida 980 pax per day with NO NONSTOPS! And these numbers exist with BOS just 55 miles away and frequent service to all 3. Imagine what nonstop PVD service would stimulate in addition to the 980 per day we already have!! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:22 am

However, i do think US needs to take back all the traffic it has lost at MCO in the past 5 or so years. But, starting 1 x weekly service to these cities isn't helping much. At least 2 or 3 should be daily and the others should be 2 or 3x weekly. Also US should look into BOS/LGA-MCO, MIA, FLL.

The problem is I don't think US Airways can jump into markets like these. With US Airways' higher cost structure, if they match Song's or JetBlue's fares, they're only going to lose money. Plus, why would anyone on, say, BOS-FLL or BOS-MCO want to take the rather bland service of US where the only service is a glass of Coke for a 3-hour flight, when you can have Song or jetBlue with good meals (for purchase) and live TV for probably the same or a lower price.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:24 am

PVD757, I wonder why Southwest doesn't have any PVD-FLL flights? With those numbers, there is definitely a market!
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:13 am

I think it's great they're opening these markets. It's something Piedmont would have done.

US does sell meals on their flights, so they could match Jetblue and Song on that count. I don't know about IFE but I don't think that is much of a big deal for most people.

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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:56 am

as a "family guy" I'll take the nonstop anyday versus making the connection with the 2 rugrats in trail (even though I choose by cost first). I know they match WN's fares on the PVD-MCO route, so the flights will suredly fill!
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:45 pm

Anyone knows why AAL ignores upstate markets by flying ORD only and only with Eagle RJs? Shame not to see silver American shine in BUF, ROC and SYR.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:25 pm

TLHFLA, we cannot figure out why on earth someone, anyone doesn't provide a FLL nonstop with 500 pax/day. It is probably because it would be a 100% O&D route (no connections to make the operator feel comfortable offering the flight) that raises some concerns. All we're looking for is 1 or 2 a day though! Rumor has it that US might do it (some connex to the keys and bahamas) but they do not have the available aircraft.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:22 am

I know in BUF there are still many loyal Frequent Flyers for US so these flights will probably sell pretty well. WN has a daily nonstop to MCO and a quick check of their schedule shows only the more expensive tickets remain available in Feb '04. I'm sure there is enough of a demand for both airlines to do well on these non-stoppers.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:27 am

Well I believe US is doing these flights to get cruise passengers for the ships departing out of Port Canaveral, in fact Carnival Cruise lines has its biggest ship out of this port every Saturday.
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:52 am

PVD757, I wonder why Southwest doesn't have any PVD-FLL flights? With those numbers, there is definitely a market!

Starting 24 January 2004:
WN 968 PVD 0845-1135 FLL _____6_
WN 1179 FLL 1200-1425 PVD _____6_

Still, though, that is nothing for such a huge market. There are rumours we might see AA, which has been doing very well on DFW-PVD, start an MIA-PVD run as they expand Miami. They are planning on announcing eight new non-stop destinations from Miami this fall, and they so far they have announced six (CVG, CMH, PIT, MSP, IND, and LIR) with about two months left.
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:22 am

LHMark,

How does Rochester get snubbed again?

Rochester has the advantage of Airtran


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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:41 am

US Airways may be the world's largest operator of Saturday-only flights...if not, whoever is above them better watch out...
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:01 am

Perhaps it is a way of getting back at WN for launching PHL service! US Airways wants to defend its turf and more importantly keep its key markets in place. US Airways has always had some sort of love affair with the Florida market! And with Southwest ever expanding in the market... this just may be their way of retaliating!
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:21 am

USAir would be foolish to come to ROC and start Sat. Only MCO flights with Airtran having a daily flight. With Airtran and Jetblue taking away more and more USAir customers, they need to focus on retaining customers for the route they already have in ROC. Add to the fact that USAir is down to 5 mainline flights a day (4 kickoffs, 2 A319, 1 737-300/400, 1 A320 one afternoon A319) and the rest are regional A/C (mix of Dash 8's, ERJ-145's and CRJ's), their customers are flocking to Airtran's 717's and Jetblue's A320's
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:44 am

Why Saturday only? In PVD they could do two MCO flights per day and fill them easily. Also I agree with PVD757, I don't know why there is still no South Florida routes, WN operates a couple of Saturday only flights to FLL, but again, you could easily fill 2 or 3 733s or MD-80s per day on PVD-FLL/MIA/PBI.

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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:16 am

Obviously this is a direct hit at WN (with the exception of Syracuse, where Transmeridian is). US has had on-again, off-again Florida service to upstate cities so it will be interesting if these will stick around for longer.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin MCO - BUF/SYR/ALB/BDL/PVD

Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:58 am

I'm sorry, but SATURDAY ONLY service isn't exactly going to put a dent in any of these markets. US will just be picking up some overflow traffic for the peak season, is how I see it. Most of these Saturday flights usually cater to tour operators.