Tom in NO
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MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:07 am

We're reopening our runway 1/19 this morning after having it closed for 6 months for a complete reconstruction. We've been down to a 1 runway operation for those 6 months.

I had heard over the weekend that the first 'official' landing was to done by a Southwest aircraft. We'll see at 10:45am if that is the case. Flight checks are being performed by FAA aircraft.

Runway 10/18 will be completely reconstructed in 2005. A press release is on our web-site at http://www.flymsy.com

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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:04 am

Great news! I was there this past weekend with my son hoping to see that it had reopened. Too bad it wasn't then but glad to know it's now open for our next visit in a few weeks.

Can't wait to see the take-off's on 19 near the new taxiway. What a great place for spotting!
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:05 am

How much did the closure really affect MSY ops? What's a normal runway configuration with both runways open at MSY? I thought 10/28 could handle all the traffic, actually MSY is the only place I know of that sometimes uses runway 28 for departures and runway 10 for landings simultaneously (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Did 1/19 get an extension? What's going to happen when they close 10/28?


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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:12 am

About friggin time! What are we... a month late?


Also, Tom... you know if the airport is planning to do anything for the longer flights. Though it shouldnt be a problem as no scheduled flights ex-MSY are longer than 2000mi; how are the airlines reacting to 3000ft of less runway being all that's going to be open in 2005?
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:14 am

AM,
no, you're right. Aircraft departing 28 immediately bank hard right over the lake to clear incoming traffic on 10.

1/19 had its foundation and paving redone, but no lengthening that I'm aware of.
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:14 am

"actually MSY is the only place I know of that sometimes uses runway 28 for departures and runway 10 for landings simultaneously (please correct me if I'm wrong)."
I flew from MSY on November 3rd and observed this prior to boarding my flight. I imagine it's done at the request of pilots, traffic permitting.
Tom in NO,
Whats the status of the proposal to build a 1/19 parallel to the west of the 10 threshold?
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:14 am

I don't know what the daily norm is/was for dep/arr on 10/28 but I saw several planes departing on 28 and then arrival's on 10 within minutes last weekend. Kept the tower busy I'm sure.
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:32 am

AM and ConcordeBoy,
No lengthening of 1/19. And no place to lengthen, unless a bridge is built over Airline Drive - approach end of 1.
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:50 am

Whats the status of the proposal to build a 1/19 parallel to the west of the 10 threshold?

You can be kept up to date at this site.

Also, the runway wouldnt technically be parallel, but canted by 8 degrees.




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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:25 am

ATC will allow opposing traffic if the amount and spacing of traffic is adequate. Launches off of 28 will go either left or right depending on the destination.

Fred is correct, no additional length to 1/19, still at 7,000'.

The reconstruction of 10/28 will a major pain for all involved. It'll leave us with only a 7,000' runway, which means the project will have to be done during the 'cooler' months. I would imagine that a lot of weight penalties will be taken during those 6-odd months. Will also be some logistical/operational problems during the period when we have to tie the intersection of 10/28 with taixway Sierra and runway 1/19.

As for the opening of 1/19 this morning, first arrival was a Southwest flight, believe it was flight 2078 or similar. The runway hadn't been properly swept off, and he landed and reversed amidst a great cloud of dust (big-time dust). A couple more landed, one took off, and then the runway shut back down to be swept. When I came off the airfield after watching and shooting the proceedings, we were back to a 28/28 operation.

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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:43 am

I fly into MSY often. When departing to the east has anyone else that DIP at the beginning of the East/West runway? What is the length of the east/west runway? It cannot be 10,000 ft,as hard the braking action is.

And runway 1/19 is now opened,oh joy.......The close view of the motorist on the I-10 and Airport drive interchange is pricelesss.
 
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:47 am

10/28 is 10,104ft
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:48 am

Ya, a friend of mine is an air traffic controller at MSY and tells me that it seems that SWA wants 28 for departure a lot, even when its not the active runway.

He calls SWA----Seldom Wants the Active.

Pretty good, I thought.
 
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:00 am

Makes ya wonder too... particularly since most of their planes out of here are just going to Texas anyways.
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:28 am

ConcordeBoy,
Thanx for the link. Interesting 3rd and 4th alternatives shown there.
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:35 am

There's another alternative as well...

the Monteleone family (richest in the city) wants to build a 13,000ft+ parallel runway about a mile to the west of the existing airfield, in Lake Pontchartrain's brine marshes.

They've been willing to put up a considerable sum of their own money to further the project, but the FAA has paid them little (if any) heed  Sad

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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:36 am

Ya, a friend of mine is an air traffic controller at MSY and tells me that it seems that SWA wants 28 for departure a lot, even when its not the active runway.

Is 28 closer to the terminal? Maybe they're looking for the shortest taxi times if wind isn't a major factor.
 
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:46 am

Is 28 closer to the terminal?

Yes, in fact the second they back up from their Terminal, they're practically at the threshold.

Only thing is, the same can be said Rwy1 as well.
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:54 am

ConcordeBoy,
I was aware of that proposal by the Monteleone's. Saw a sketch of it in the Times-Picayune during a visit last year, I believe. Aside from the logistical and environmental hurdles, how close is that proposed r/w to the Bonnet Carre spillway?
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:25 am

William:
The dip on 10/28 still exists, and will likely exist in some form into the distant future. When we lengthened the runway in the late 80's, a tunnel was built underneath the runway in order to facilitate a road traveling from Veteran Blvd on the north side of the airport to Airline Drive on the south side. That road has not been built (that's a state function I believe), and I don't see it happening for a while.

Being that the section of runway built over the tunnel has a strong foundation, and areas adjacent are subject to the high water table, the adjacent sections tend to sink over time, creating the "dip". I've driven over the dip at high speeds on more than one occasion, and obviously flown over it. It is quite noticeable, especially if we haven't done any repair work for a time. Every 4 or 5 years, we go back and resurface the entire dip area. But, the area does denegrate over time.

Hopefully, the reconstruction of the runway in 2005 (will be full-length concrete with a serious base) will help the situation.

As for the Monteleone alternative, no one around here seriously thinks it's going to happen. For one thing, the logistics involved in creating a taxiway strong enough, with enough foundation, high enough, and that doesn't involve a serious up and then down slope (over Interstate 310) to the runway are tremendous indeed.

As for Southwest gates and their proximity to runways, 28 is the closest for their aircraft on the odd-numbered gates (B-1, 5, 7, 9, 11); 1 is closest for those on the even number gate (B-2, 4, 6, etc). And yes, many times they do take the quick way out (depending on traffic).

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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:50 am

Tom, what about CO's old gates in the WN terminal.... have they still not figured out what to do with them, as WN obviously isnt taking?  Sad
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:18 am

Fred,

I spoke with WN's station manager recently. He told me that they are waiting to pick up some additional flights before formally taking over the rest of the gates on B. In the meantime, they do have some queueing/lineup paraphanalia in some of the gate areas down there. On occasion, they use B-15 as an overflow flight. Since there is no demand from the other airlines for those gates, it's more a case of waiting for WN to sign on the dotted line.

Regarding WN and proximity to the nearest runways, 28 is the closest for the odd-numbered gates on B, rwy 01 for the even-numbered gates.

Tom
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RE: MSY's Runway 1/19 To Reopen Today

Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:58 pm

Tom,when will SWA's concourse be updated? Something similar to the CO/DL concourse.

I can see why SWA would want to use the East/West runway,if they are only heading west to Texas. The two mile length negates the wind factor.

This is funny. I was watching a SWA 737 follow a AA 737 around B concourse. The AA jet was taxying at a snail's pace,as it proceded to the end of runway 1. In what I thought was kind of humorous,the following SWA(as if they were impatient) turned onto the runway 1(with clearance I am sure) using the next to the last entrance ramp. By the time the AA was had reach the beginning of runway 1 the SWA had started its takeoff roll from its "shortcut". Funny indeed.