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clickhappy
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Lets Talk About Sun Country

Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:47 am

Seems like there is never much news here about Sun Country.

Will they be flying SEA - PDX - IFP this winter?

Will they be leasing in more aircraft for the winter season? If so, from where?

Anyone know how they are doing financially?
 
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:55 am

Clickhappy, I live 5 miles from IFP. I'll let you & everyone else know in a day or two. I'll head to the airport & ask questions to the staff there. I know their 733s have been pretty active here lately, but I don't know their routes...yet.  Wink/being sarcastic Regards.
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:55 am

I haven't flown then since summer of 2001 from MSP to BOS. I flew them because when I fly NW sh*t happens.
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:35 am

I was just reading some stuff about them a few weeks ago.

If I remember right they have just shown their first profit since the new owners took over a couple of years ago. That's pretty impressive considering everything. They will definitely be adding (leasing) some more aircraft over the winter months when the charter traffic is huge here in Minnesota. They should really make some nice money this winter with all of the extra business.

In addition to the 15 cities they already serve from MSP, here are the winter additions.

Beginning December:

Mazatlan
Puerto Vallarta
San Juan
St. Thomas
Tampa

Beginning January:

Aruba
Cozumel
Ft. Lauderdale
Manzanillo
Palm Springs
Saint Maarten

In February they are adding Gulfport

And coming in May is Anchorage.

Sounds like they should be pretty busy this winter.

It looks to me that beginning November 21, they will be running SEA-IFP twice a week on Mondays and Fridays.

Website: http://www.suncountry.com


[Edited 2003-11-13 02:37:59]
 
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:54 am

Their new business plan has been working quite well. For the first nine months of this year they had a load factor of 74%, up from 58% in 2002. The airline is on track to post a $5 million profit in 2003.

They currently operate four Boeing 737-800s permanently. However, they are planning to add four more planes to their fleet in November and December. On top of this, Sun Country will be leasing more Boeing 737-800s from Transavia for the busy winter charter season (that's a big fleet). The first Transavia aircraft actually just arrived into MSP this morning. I believe they'll be getting four more B738s for the winter (haven't confirmed that, however).

Sun Country is currently planning a slow but steady fleet expansion in the upcoming years. I read that Sun Country will be adding two more planes to their fleet next summer. Jay Salmen (president and CEO) said, "Our goal is to add two to four more planes to the fleet each year."

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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:18 pm

I have seen their planes coming and going at PDX in flightarrivals.com.

They usually come from SEA and after looking at the schedule on the web site it seems they come and go on MON/WED/FRI.

Can anyone tell me more about this service? What is it for, charter or what, it just seems odd.
 
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:36 pm

How many flights a week does Sun Country have total?
 
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:28 am

I'm not sure on exactly how many flights Sun Country is operating each week but I do know that they've been operating about 60-65 departures from MSP each week. It'll start going up here soon and reach its peak during Jan-Mar.

You can check for some basic info. on Sun Country's MSP flights and destinations on my MSP Airline Information page.

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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:30 am

will the new Sun Country planes be new builds from Boeing?
 
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:50 am

I think they'll be getting used aircraft from the International Lease Finance Corp. (ILFC), possibly aircraft that they used to operate.

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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:17 pm

Here's the aircraft that Sun Country will be subleasing from Transavia for the 2003-04 winter season:
PH-HZC -- arrived at MSP on 11/12/03
PH-HZI -- expected to arrive at MSP on 11/17/03
PH-HZJ -- expected to arrive at MSP on 12/13/03
PH-HZG -- expected to arrive at MSP on 12/17/03

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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Sun Nov 16, 2003 1:29 pm

Slightly off topic, but did Sun Country start off with used B727s?
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Sun Nov 16, 2003 1:31 pm

They had 727-200s and DC-10s.
 
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RE: Lets Talk About Sun Country

Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:16 pm

Lets talk about an airline that was nearly killed off by wonderful Bill LaMachia Jr. This little puke comes in to MSP thinking that he's going to show NWA to to door (btw NWAs controlled MSP since 1928). After 2 decades of very successful ad hoc and charter service, he decides to try to attack NWA with 17 aircraft (DC10/727) at the time. Reality check: NWA has 400-some aircraft on the books. Everything is non-stop or one-stop to any city in the world from here. SO. Away he goes, wasting money, more money, and then finally the whole carrier tips over. Wonderful job Bill, ask you daddy for another one since you broke your first toy. Nevermind that people had years and years of seniority with this carrier. Away he went, along with the aircraft repo-ed by Riverhorse Capitol and others. The Sun went out one day at SCA. Thankfully investor realized what had happened and returned on a lesser scale to revive them, this time as MNAirlines LLC. And here we sit. Certainly interesting to live in MSP and watch and airline like SCA.
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