ORD747CLE
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United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:37 am

I know this topic comes up every once in a while, but I did some searches on Flytecomm and couldn't find any oddball UAL routes. By oddball, I mean flights between cities that don't involve UA hubs.

It appears that United has really cut down these types of routes, but Delta and others still have them.

The only one I can think of is Tucson and Phoenix. Are there others?
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:38 am

It appears that United has really cut down these types of routes, but Delta and others still have them.

Delta has cut down on them alot lately. American Airlines is the only cartel carrier that still has a very big point-to-point network.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:44 am

SAN-IPL on UA Express(SKywest) is a little odd. They fly it once or twice a day.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:44 am

Many oddball routes aren't that odd, in fact. Phoenix-Tucson is simply the continuation of IAD-PHX. Others have gone to Miami, but don't exist anymore, like MCO-MIA, DCA-MIA, a short-lived EWR-MIA...what else?
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:46 am

United Express also runs FAT-LAS and PSP-LAS
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:07 pm

A truly strange UAX route, discussed on another thread, VIS-FAT on an EM2
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:23 pm

I find it interesting that NW appears to be going in the opposite direction by creating more of a point-to-point network versus the very defined hub-and-spoke network run for so many years.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:26 pm

I think UA used to do ATL - MIA.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:06 pm

THIS GOES BACK TO THE MID 80'S I REMEMBER FLAYING SAN-HNL; ROC-BUF; ROC-SYR
MID 90;S HNL-OGG; FAR-FSD
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:57 pm

I flew SWF-BOS in the late '90s. UA used to run LHR-AMS, on a 767, I believe, as well.
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:03 pm

Lest we forget about the classic OAK-SFO run that was flown, most recently, by a B727. A quick hope across the bay.


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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:16 pm

Some other current/past UA "oddball" routes...

LIM-SCL, GRU-CNF, POS-CCS, MEX-SJO, UA / MGGT), Guatemala">GUA-SJO, LHR-AMS, LHR-BRU, CDG-ATH

Many of these, though, were simply the continuation of a mailine service, for example:

LIM-SCL was a continuation of MIA-LIM with a 757;
GRU-CNF ... CNF used to be operated non-stop MIA-CNF with a 767-200ER then changed to a second daily MIA-GRU flight continuing to CNF, also with a 767-200ER;
POS-CCS was a continuation of MIA-CCS with a 757;
MEX-SJO, still in existence, A-320?;
UA / MGGT), Guatemala">GUA-SJO, still in existence, continues from LAX-UA / MGGT), Guatemala">GUA;
LHR-AMS/BRU, used for keeping LHR slots, though the LHR-BRU was one of two sold to BA:
CDG-ATH used to be a continuation of ORD-CDG with a 767-200ER

UA also used to operate quite a few other intra-South America routes when they first acquired Pan Am's Latin American division ... GRU-EZE, EZE-SCL, amongst others, comes to mind.
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:42 pm

I think we do BOS-LHR as well, but that could have changed since we cut back there.
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:02 am

Nope, BOS-LHR was cut around the same time DL cut BOS-LGW...another very short lived route.
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:06 am

Didn't UA do Spokane to Calgary up until the early or mid-nineties? That always seemed lika an odd-ball route to me.

There used to be a number of intra-CA routes that were not between hubs (SFO/LAX). Ontario to Sacramento springs to mind.

I think they also used to do some Orlando routes (from EWR maybe?)...
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:15 am

Two oddball routes out of FAT have been mentioned; FAT-VIS and FAT-LAS. The FAT-VIS service is a Skywest EAS contract (nobody ever said that EAS flying had to make sense). As for the FAT-LAS and PSP-LAS service, they are two of the few routes that Skywest flies as a revenue sharing arrangement. The purpose is not to feed the hub, but to make money for Skywest. And from what I understand, those routes do quite well for them. The vast majority of Skywest flying for United is wet lease, which is mostly hub feed.
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:25 am

Most of the domestic oddball routes were continuations from the hubs. For example, the ROC-BUF route was actually IAD-ROC-BUF-ORD. It was operated by 73S, 735, and 72S from time to time. There also used to be a RDU-GSO that continued on to ORD. And yes, UA did fly from ATL to MIA. It operated to feed their South American routes and was flown with 72S equipment.

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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:53 am

Mid 90's UA flew a SNA-BUR hop w/757. Scenic flight via the coastline over LGB, just west of LAX, and over VNY for the approach to BUR. Also UA flew SNA-LAX w/757, though briefly. SNA-BUR was primarily for positioning, but SNA-LAX was a continuation of an ORD-SNA segment. Go figure!
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:35 am

UA mainline used to have:

MHT-BTV (on on to ORD)
BDL-BOS (on to SFO) (on a DC10)
SNA-LAX
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:09 am

SJC-SBA is one great non-hub route that makes sense. PWM-MHT was attached to MHT-ORD, and PWM-BTV even ran for a few days in the last months of United mainline in Portland.
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:46 am

In the 1970s, UA served LAX-BHM and LAX-HSV non-stop and even operated a small hub at MEM to connect the west coast with their cities in the southeast (acquired from the Capital Airlines merger). Flights continued onward to CLT and GSO.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:50 am

SFO to MRY... In an A-320.

Yikes!
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:56 am

sfo-mry, just a couple years ago was attached to bos-sfo, on a 757
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:18 am

ord-pvd-pwm and return
ord-pvd-mht and return

these go back to the 90's as well, continuations of hub flying (72S's).
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:24 am

OAK-SFO was never a revenue service.

That route was commonly flown for positioning purposes, i.e. delivering aircraft to the now-closed OAK heavy maintenance base for service.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:48 am

What about current routes? Does United have any point-to-point outside of the US? I know there are a ton in Asia, but any over the Atlantic or in South America?
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:54 am

South America current:
(MIA)-EZE-MVD
(LAX)-GUA-SJO
(IAD)-MEX-SJO
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:13 am

I was in a class at my college and a retired 747 captain (his pilot number was ONE!!!) who is such a swell guy was talking about this sort of stuff with us last year. He mentioned that before deregulation, such routes like Boise to Seattle in a DC-8 was normal. Then again, before deregulation, airlines flew all over the place. Milk runs, skip stops, etc...ya know, that would be a lot of fun to catch a fun plane and hop across the country. That's just me being nostalgic...love those DC-8s!
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:15 am

I forgot to add...

JAL flies LAS-LAX three times a week on the way back to Tokyo...they also fly Kona to Honolulu (Kona...which airport is that? On the big island, right?) I think 6 days a week.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:28 am

EWR-MIA for a while for south american feed
A couple of years ago EWR-MIA sat, suns only. I remember them having the route in 2002.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:28 am

Kona (KOA) is on the West side of the Big Island, Hawai'i.

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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:09 am

United operated weekend only 757 service between JFK-SJU until recently- it catered mainly to the cruise crowd.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:30 pm

In the mid-80s United used to fly Dallas to Seattle (727) ... that was weird.

In the mid-90s they also flew ORD to New Haven, Connecticut. Anyone know how long they served this?

 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:52 pm

I recall flying ORD-RIC that continued on to ORF on a 732 back in spring of 2001.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:53 pm

I remember flying BOI-SFO on 737-200,then,nonstop SFO-SJC in DC-8-71. The plane sat there about 55 min,then went on to ORD,overnight flight,arr ORD at 4:55a.This was all UA of course. March,1987.
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:57 pm

Before Dereg, UA flew literally hundreds of point to point routes not involving DEN, ORD, CLE (they had a hub there), hubs. Speaking of ATL, at one time United had 40+ flights a day out of ATL to CLE, PIT, TYS, CLT, AVL, BHM, MSY, JAX, PBI, TPA, MIA, DCA, ORF, RDU, GSO, JFK, MOB.

They operated DC-8's SFO-FAT, SFO-BOI, SMF-SLC, SMF-DEN, DSM-JFK, OMA-JFK.

They operated CLE-FNT, GRR, DTW, MBS, PHL, PIT, LAX, DEN

MCI-LAX, SFO, PDX, SEA, MLI

ORD-SBN, FWA, TOL, YNG, CAK, MLI

FWA-EWR, GRR-EWR, CAK-EWR, YNG-EWR, TYS-EWR, BHM-EWR,

DSM-LAX, OMA-LAX, DEN-GJT-LAS-LAX

SLC-BOI, SLC-SEA, SLC-PDX, SLC-GEG, SLC-PDT, SLC-JFK

LAX-SBA-MRY-SFO
LAX-VIS-MCE-MOD-SCK-SFO
LAX-BFL-FAT-SFO

After Dereg they also had some different ADD-ON's, like SAV-ATL, and
MLI-TUL-DEN


 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:55 pm

United is ending MEX-SJO on 11 February. Instead, they will operate IAD-SJO and IAD-MEX as two seperate non-stop flights instead of a combined IAD-MEX-SJO and back.
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:38 am

On top of the RDU -> GSO to Chicago
They used to have a GSO -> CLT and an RIC to GSO
 
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:43 am

How about SLC-EKO-ELY-RNO in a B737?
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RE: United Oddball Routes

Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:09 am

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