Thrust
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Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:06 pm

Who thinks Delta is eventually going to expand the 767-432/ER overseas? Personally, I think they should, considering that they are new, carry large passenger loads, and are the second largest aircraft in Delta's fleet once the MD-11s are gone. Another reason why I see this possible is because Continental uses their 767-424/ER's on their transatlantic services. So why shouldn't Delta?
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:10 pm

Delta originally ordered the 764's as an L1011 replacement for high-density domestic flights as well as flights to Hawaii. They never had any intention of flying them transatlantic from the start. Delta has found the combination of 763 and 777 on transatlantic ops to be all that it needs.


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Vimanav
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:12 pm

DL AFAIK is already operating the B764 trans-atlantic. I've seen the airplane in FRA for sure.

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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:20 pm

Absolutely NO 764's serve the European markets, they are domestic only. All 764's are configured in domestic FC and coach seating. As MSYtristar said they have never had intentions of International flying for the 764's, they would have to reconfigure them. They are indeed L-1011 replacements. What you see in FRA is the B763ER's.
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:24 pm

"Absolutely NO 764's serve the European markets, they are domestic only. All 764's are configured in domestic FC and coach seating. As MSYtristar said they have never had intentions of International flying for the 764's, they would have to reconfigure them. They are indeed L-1011 replacements. What you see in FRA is the B763ER's."

I mean only for DELTA, I realize that Continental DOES fly the 764's international.
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:28 pm

Personally, I think they should, considering that they are new, carry large passenger loads, and are the second largest aircraft in Delta's fleet once the MD-11s are gone.

Passenger wise they are Deltas largest plane- the 777 carries 277, the MD11 carries 218, and the 764 carries 287.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:30 pm

With 278 passengers, albeit in domestic configuration, I think that the 764 is too similar in passenger capacity to the 772 for Delta, which carries 277 passengers.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:32 pm

Shouldn't have spent the time on that spell check 2cn  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:38 pm

It is being considered for LIM and some other South American routes, but not Europe!
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:50 pm

I do know that the 764 was being used to its potential on the ATL-HNL route. But didn't they replace them with 763ER's recently? Surely the 764 will be back in HNL soon? It just strikes me as odd why Delta would fly that large of an airplane with a huge range on domestic routes. It sounds to me like Delta is using them the way they used their 747s (Not to their potential). I seriously think Delta should make more use of these airplanes. They are, after all, 764ER's, yes?
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:04 pm

Correct me if Im wrong put is there not a contract issue with the crews of the 764 as well? Maybe someone as DL can help me there. Something in regards to crew rest area, since there is no room due to the higher amount of seats.
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:25 pm

With 278 passengers, albeit in domestic configuration, I think that the 764 is too similar in passenger capacity to the 772 for Delta, which carries 277 passengers.

Not exactly. In a Business Elite configuration, the B764 would have about 230 seats vs. 200 on the B763 and 277 on the B777.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:02 pm

People....... do we really have to go through this over and over again? It seems like every week, somebody is asking when the 767-400s are going to international configuration.

The answer is not anytime soon. You will probably see them on Latin American midhauls, but they won't be getting BusinessElite seats, they won't be flying to Europe or deep South America.

Please.... learn to use the search function. There are hundreds of posts about this.
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:53 pm

Vimanav...maybe the DL B 764 that you saw in FRA may have been a last minute replacement aircraft called on emergency duty replacing a B 763ER or B 772ER which was originally supposed to have flown the segment hence the rare B 764 DL sighting in FRA. It must have replaced the B 772ER as it has the same seating capacity almost but a less fancy product.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:11 pm

Do we have to turn the thread into another "why can't you use the search function" lecture? If it inconveniences you to read or respond, DON'T CLICK ON THE LINK, let alone respond. I read the forum a couple times daily, and don't remember seeing anything about Delta 764s going international last week, or the week before, let alone every week. Many times, in "repeat" threads like these, some new information surfaces. With these snotty lectures, newbies are turned off from posting altogether.
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:12 pm

Given that 764ERs are not insured for transatlantic service, I can absolutely 100% guarantee that there was no 767-400ER in FRA, unless it was on its pre-delivery RTW flight with Boeing - as part of the promotional tour.

The reason that the 767-300ERs (with BizElite) were flying to Honolulu for a time were because the 764s were still being fitted out with larger seats, for crew rest. The 763 already had these, and were insured for over-water ops. Thus, in order to fill the services, they used these aircraft.

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Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:17 am

I definately saw B767-400ER CO in Gatwick .
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:26 am

As someone mentioned, there were crew rest issues earlier in the 764's service. Therefore, certain routes to HNL were discontinued until all contract issues were resolved.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:49 am

The Biz-Elite equipped 763 is still flying between ATL and HNL. Flight 91/92 operates with a 763 everyday, a friend of mine on this site just took it. Every other DL flight to HNL is a 764 with the exception of ATL.

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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:43 am

I would never say never; sure, they're not going there now and they aren't insured to do so, but things could someday change. If the 764 was a replacement for the L10, remember when the L10 was the workhorse of the Intl fleet?
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RE: Delta Airlines Boeing 767-432/ER

Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:56 am

I am just talking about DL machines.
I have no information about CO, but since they frequently fly transatlantic, they must be insured for such flights.

Make no mistake - this thread is about DELTA 767-400ERs, no the Continental version.

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