jayspilot
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Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:03 am

I was hoping to get the opinion of those out there on what kind of fleet layouts you think the airlines will have in the next decade. For instance, NW, DL, UA, AA, Alaska, Air Canada, Mexico and the rest, European carriers like BA, AF, Aeroflot.. Asia, like Qantas, Cathay.
All boeing, all bus, mainline rj.. or a mix
 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:07 am

NW - Bus
DL - Boeing
UA - Bus
AA - Boeing
AS - Boeing
AC - Bus
AeroMex - Boeing
 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:36 am

Delta, as Boeinggoingone said, will be full Boeing. Unfortunately we'll see the demise of the MD-88/90 community one day, and the MD-11's already going.

Fleet will look something like this:

B738NG and POSSIBLY the B7377NG

B7572, B762 B763B763ER (-200 might be gone by then)

B764ER & B777ER

Cockpit layouts make the pilot groups more consolidated. Will be a mighty fine fleet, but no t-tails or 3-holers  Sad

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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:40 am

UA - Bus

Aside from not wanting to wait on the 737NG... UA has shown little evidence whatsoever of a desire to depart Boeing as its primary fleet provider.
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:46 am

Mexicana - will most likely end with an all Airbus fleet.
 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:58 am

American Airlines--737-800, 757-200, 767-300, 777-200
Continental--737NG, 757-200/300, 767-200/400, 777-200
Delta--737NG, 757, 767-300, 777-200
Northwest--A319, A320, A321, A330, A340-300/600
United--A319, A320, 747, 757, 767-200/300, 777
US Airways--mostly RJs

British Airways--mix of Boeing and Airbus
Air France--mostly Airbus with 747
Lufthansa--ditto

Japan Airlines--all Boeing
Cathay Pacific--mix of Boeing and Airbus
Qantas--ditto

 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:59 am

AA: MD-80 (?), 737NG, 757, 767, 777, perhaps 7E7
DL: 737NG, 757, 767, 777, perhaps 7E7
CO: 737NG, 757, 767, 777, perhaps 7E7
(do we see a pattern here?  Smile)

NW: DC-9, A32X, 757, A33X, 747-400; I am skeptical about the A380
UA: A32X, 757, 767, 777, 747-400 (no 7E7 for a while)
AS: All 737NG, bye-bye MD-80s; perhaps 737-800 and/or 737-900ERX
AC: All Airbus (A320, A330, A340 families)
BA: A32X, 7E7 or A33X, 777 inc. 773ER, 747-400, perhaps 747Advanced
QF: 737NG, 767 (?), A33X, 747-400/ER, A380, perhaps 747Adv
CX: If they continue to be unhappy with A346: A33X, 777 inc. 300ER, 747-400, perhaps 747Adv

Not too familiar with the rest....

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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:10 am

DeltaGuy

757 is going out of production.... and Song is flying only 752's. What do you see replacing the 752 in the Delta mainline fleet. Will DL increase the mix on the 737NG? perhaps add the 739 to replace the 757's that migrate to Song? What will replace the MD's?
 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:12 am

SAS: all Airbus
FinnAir: all Airbus
LH: all Airbus
Swiss: All Airbus
AF: mixed A/B
AlItalia: mixed A/B
IB: all Airbus
Austria: all Airbus
KLM: mixed A/B
BA: mixed A/B
LOT: all Airbus
Aeroflot: mixed A/B
Olympic: mixed A/B
Turkish: mixed A/B

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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:18 am

Ten years from now Northwest will look just about the same that it is today except for the DC-10s being gone and all A330s delivered. There will still be a huge DC-9 fleet.
 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:15 am

So no one thinks the CRJ, ERJ, or 717 plays a place in the fleets. I'd venture to guess that the CRJ900, ERJ190 and those types will eventually be added into mainline fleets in some shape or form.
 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:48 am

NW: A DC-9 Replacement, 747-400, 757-200/300, A319/A320, A330-200/300, and lots of CRJs to XJ and 9E.

I dont know about the others, b/c I dont really pay attention to what management says at the others.
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:58 am

6max, so your saying that NW will ditch ALL of it's 757's, including it's breand new 752's and 753's?? Wow, so they'll also COMPLETELY get rid of all their 747's?? Common sense and reality, two very good things to hold on to  Big grin.
 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:21 pm

Solnabo, I seriously doubt that LH will be an all Airbus carrier - they're too smart to be throwing one of the two big ones out...

If Boeing doesn't annoy them again like they did a few years back - there was a dispute between LH Technik and Boeing about some part of the maintenance business that Boeing was thinking of getting into that, until then, was only offered by LH Technik and some competitors - and during this dispute, LH told Boeing something like "We don't build airplanes, so you stay out of our business - or we won't look favourably at whatever planes you build when we're thinking about ordering something in the future".

At least for a while, the remaining 733/735/744 pax and M11 cargo fleet will be all that connects them to Boeing, but - as I've said - they're way to smart to be going "one supplier only".
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:09 am

Regarding AC, I really don't see a suitable Airbus replacement for the 767. The 330 too big to be a 767 replacement, the 321 is too small and doesn't have the range. I'm betting AC will settle on the 7E7.

I know its a longshot at best but AC may be a launch customber for an A380 Combi version?

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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:20 am

my opinion on AC if theyre still round:
CRJ
A319
A320
A321
B767 (possibly but dont think so)
A332(?)
A333
A343
A346


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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:43 am

AA:

717-200/300 (F-100 and MD-80 replacement)
737-800 (MD-80 replacement)
777
7E7 (767 & A300 replacement)
737-900X (757 replacement)

Delta:

Embraer-190/195
737-700/800 (will be the MD-88/90 replacement)
767-400 (they will add more and put them on Transatlantic service replacing some of the older 767-300s)
777-200/300
737-900X (757-200 replacement as the newer frames are with Song and the oldest a/c are retired)
7E7 (Will further do away with DL's 767-200/300 fleet)

United:
Embraer 190/195
A319/320
A321
747-XXX
7E7

Northwest:
717-200/300 (DC-9 replacement)
A319/320
A330
A340
747-XXX
7E7

US Airways:
A318/319/320/321
A330

Southwest:
737-700/900/900X
Embraer 190

AirTran:
717-200/300
737-700/800
Embraer 170 (JetConnect)
Embraer 145 (JetConnect)
I predict AirTran will be running JetConnect inhouse by this point.

JetBlue:
A320/A321
Embraer 190/195

ATA:
757-300
737-800
737-900X
7E7 (Have a small fleet of them maybe 4 or 5)

Virgin USA (assuming that that HP rumor proves true):
A319/320/321

 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:43 am

As im sure most of you will disagree with me, I see SAA possibly getting a boeing or two by 2010.
 
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RE: Airline Fleets In 10 Years

Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:11 am

hmm... 10 years... Finnair will probably have MD-11s still in their fleet