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Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:40 pm

Got a question for your guys. Why MD87 is not popular as his brothers(-80,82,88)? Just a few airlines around world operate MD87s.


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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:44 pm

Only about 75 were built. Its launch customers were Austrian & Finnair although Finnair only took 3 of their original order for 8. I think there were several reasons for the unpopularity of the MD-87:
1. As with many shrinks, its unit or seat mile costs were high.
2. It was offered too late by MDD....they should have perhaps offered the MD-87 earlier in the 80's before the 733 gained much of the potential MD-87 market.
3. Not a single US major ordered the MD-87 despite commonality with the MD-81/82/83.
4. A "lite" version with less range and weight would have made it more attractive to customers who did not need its range.

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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:49 pm

It came out too late when their was already competition from Airbus (the A320 family) and Boeing (the 737 family).

Airlines were prefering the A320 and 737 over the MD-87.

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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:11 am

I could have sworn Midway ordered some MD-87s. I do know that Reno Air had 5 of them when they were flying. Allegiant I know now has 2 and possibly looking for more. I see a Allegiant MD-87 nearly everyday flying over my home on approach to IFP. Yyz717 is correct...only 75 MD-87 were assembled. Regards.
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:20 am

Well,Flagship is right,but YYZ717 did say "US major".
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:13 am

I could have sworn Midway ordered some MD-87s.

Correct! They bought 10 new from MDD. Midway was not a "major" though.
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:24 am

What was the range on the MD-87
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:27 am

AeroMexico has some MD-87's, right?
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:51 am

The AM MD-87's were all procured 2nd hand.

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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:57 am

What was the range on the MD-87

I don't know exactly but I remember that I read a few years ago in the Aero Lloyd Magazine, that the MD-87 has a longer range than the other MD-80 models.

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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:37 am

Sabena332:

I am not sure of the range either, but Reno Air had two -87s (N753RA and N754RA) that had an extra center fuel tank. Reno used those planes on all of it's RNO-DTW flights, because of its range. Although the 80 was capable, and used on occassion, it had to stop for fuel if west bound flights had strong enough head winds. Although rare, it happened.

I attempted to check the range stats on Boeing's website, but it seems the commerical section is on the blink.

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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:40 am

I should have mentioned before that the pilots love em! Although shorter and significantly lighter than its brothers, the MD-87 has the same engines from the largest MD-80, the -83. It was a real sports car on the ground. The F/As didn't much care for them since there was no aft galley.
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:42 am

Japan Air System (JAS), now part of JAL, has a few of them also...maybe 11 total airframes or something? While flying domestically within Japan doesn't require much fuel and range, I believe they were used on the lower capacity routes (per my schedule book that I have) within Japan. However, JAS also has about a gazillion MD-81s...so...why they have both is kind of a mystery to me. Then again, maybe they found a niche for the bird.
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:17 am

Boeing's website is back up...

With auxiliary fuel tanks, the MD-87 has the same fuel capacity as the MD-88, seven thousand pounds. However, the specs sheet doesn't offer what type of increased range that equals. The MD-88 with seven thousand pounds of fuel has a range of 2,504 nm... the -87 with auxiliary fuel tanks would have greater range than that since it is a lighter a/c.
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:41 am

It's back down again.  Sad

Since I can't look this stuff up there, what are the main differences in the MD-80 series variants?
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:11 pm

Since I can't look this stuff up there, what are the main differences in the MD-80 series variants?

The MD-81/82/83/88 are all externally identical. The MD-81 was the initial baseline model. The MD-82 & 83 had progressively higher weights and range. The MD-83 proved popular with charter carriers. The MD-87 was the short-body version about the same length as the DC-9-40. The MD-88 had various upgrades to the MD-81/82/83 and its own type certificate & was built basically to DL requirements.

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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:38 pm

The MD87 was a relatively poor seller. At the time of its launch MD felt that it would make an ideal DC9 replacement (sp. -30). However, many late DC9s were available second-hand at much lower costs than the brand-new 87s. Additionally, as mentioned earlier, the 737-300 and (more relevantly) -500 came around and captured a massive share of the market. The new A320 was also making its mark in the order books.

In so doing the MD87 was restricted to sales among MD loyals such as Iberia, Finnair, JAS and SAS.

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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:13 pm


The MD-87 was my favourite MD.Aero-Lloyd and BalairCTA used to operate it to Monastir/MIR/DTMB and it was facinating.

I remember the first time LL(JP)/AEF used its D-ALLG first MD87 was in 1988/1989 and the aircraft was brand new with its metal shining belly.Exciting !!!


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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:17 pm

Spirit and Southeast Airlines has a couple. Did Spirit get theirs from Aerolloyd? I remember Spirit flying some MD-80s around with Aerolloyd colors.
 
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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:37 am

I do not really care much for the MD-80 but the MD-87 is a whole different story I always enjoyed the flights on it (AM, SK, AY). When I flew on IB MAD2FRA I had hoped for one aswell but I got an A320 instead. And now that I think of it have been on 4% of all MD-87's...

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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:40 am

At Iberia we currently operate 24 MD-87's delivered between 1990-1991. Of course that was it for the order of MD's....when then signed a lucrative order with Airbus for A320's. So our MD aircraft are composed of 24 MD-87's and 13 MD-88's which came on board after the integration of Aviaco into Iberia.


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RE: Why MD87 Is Not So Popular?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:49 am

I remember reading ATW about 1982, and at the time, USAir Chairman Ed Colodny when asked about new planes, and he stated that then AL would be interested in a DC-9 Super 30 as new planes. I guess that AL wanted an update in the shorter body instead of the -80. If MDD offered the -80 and -87 at the same time, they could've sold a family of airframes as the 737 family. Indeed, AL chose the 73S and 733, and purchased the 734 when they decided they needed the extra capacity. I wonder if MDD had the -87 available at the beginning, if AL and AA might have purchased it instead of the F100's if the plane was available earlier on.

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