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Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:30 pm

Hi Everyone,

I just wanting to know about history of those flight out of FLL to Europe flight. I want exactly to know about history of those old routes out of FLL into the past. Are you will sent me some of kind with the website? Which one is begin on the international flight by early 80s or 90s. Well, talk ya later!  Smile

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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:30 am

well, for some reason FLL doesnt get any European airlines, other than the occasional Britannia last winter.. I dont even think there are any direct flights to europe from FLL at the moment..
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:33 am

I believe Condor used to come in every now and then as well...

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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:34 am

The last european flight I saw out of FLL was LAKER a few years back to LGW.. To be real honest, I think it is a goldmine that no one is tapping into. I wish AA would go in and do a daily flight to LGW on the 767-300, I really think that they could fill it seasonally...
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:41 am

my question is why?

Why don't they do it? You re right, it is like a gold mine that the airlines are just walking all over. They need to dig, though!
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:47 am

To be real honest, I have no idea. I know that when AA was looking at expanding FLL, MIA got real pissed... Especially when we were going to add SDQ and PAP out of FLL. Bottom line is, cannot wait for them to finish that damn terminal in MIA.. I think that AA should add a LGW and a GRU, and YYZ and YUL seasonally out of FLL. I think it is a goldmine!
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:14 am

DL had plans for nonstop 763ER service to CDG from both BOS and FLL in late 2001.... rather sure you can guess what happened to those.
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:30 am

yes Greg, you are right, how can I forget, I even have some pics of that Condor 763 at FLL.. One day this a*hole in those broward county pickups that patrol the areas around the airport with nothing to do was wailing on the horn while me and a friend were getting a shot of it form the approach area. It came in as a scheduled charter every year during the summer. But i don't remember seeing it this year...
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:32 am

FLL actually does have direct service to Europe...just not nonstop...US Airways flight 2 is FLL-PHL-FCO, and flight 3 is FCO-PHL-FLL...
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:24 am

To be real honest, I have no idea. I know that when AA was looking at expanding FLL, MIA got real pissed... Especially when we were going to add SDQ and PAP out of FLL.

FLL-SDQ and FLL-PAP started 1 November 2003. FLL-CCS starts 15 December 2003. They tried to get FLL-BOG route authority, but it went to Avianca instead. FLL-SJO is in the rumour mill. Though the added flight by no means shows that AA is not dedicated to Miami. Thier Miami hub is currently the largest it as ever been and it keeps growing. The FLL service is only there to protect thier market share, and it is a very succsesful formula for them. American Airlines is on track to become the #2 carrier at FLL in the next few months. It is not far behind Southwest.

Bottom line is, cannot wait for them to finish that damn terminal in MIA.. I think that AA should add a LGW and a GRU, and YYZ and YUL seasonally out of FLL. I think it is a goldmine!

Since the US does not have Open Skies with the UK or Brazil, AA cannot just add FLL-GRU or FLL-LGW. And there is no way AA wants to compete with Air Transat, Air Canada, and jetsGo on the Ft. Lauderdale-Canada market, despite how huge it is, they would never make money.

There is little doubt in my mind that Ft. Lauderdale could likely substain a link to certain European destinations, namely London, Paris, and Madrid. In time, I think we will see it happen. I think the most likely canidate for Europe service from FLL would be Delta/Air France with a CDG link.
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:33 am

I am well aware that AA cannot just add these services, but since Laker abandoned the market from FLL to LGW and there is no one flying the market presently, I do not think that it would go opposed, but who knows. As for the YUL and YYZ markets, yes I guess we would have to apply for these markets, but many of the routes are served with charter aircraft, and from what I understand from my Canadian friends are basically cattle cars. Many of them go back and forth all winter long to check on businesses and homes, and do not like the fact that are CRAMMED in the back of an A310 with NO leg room at all, not to mention the fact that sometimes the service is only on certain days of the week... Not sure what the competetion is offering this year, but that is what it has been in tha past..
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:49 am

I think AA COULD add FLL-LGW services as I believe MIA/FLL are designated as common detinations, similar to EWR/JFK, IAD/BWI and SFO/OAK, if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong on this however. Anyone know for sure?
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:59 am

Well they are only 30 mins drive time from each other (no traffic) of course.
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:39 pm

Just like no european carriers serve FLL, makes me wonder why no more serve MCO, besides the few that have served it for years..
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:35 pm

Two of the main things that have been holding back FLL from getting traffic serving Europe are,

1. FLL's longest runway is 9000ft. Thats fine for the winter season, but is a tight sqeeze for the 8 long summer months.

Before Terminal 1 opened that has added 18+ gates, FLL was really tight in it's abilty to offer Heavy gates at Terminal 4 (Intl Term).

So FLL has only been viable to the European market for a little over 2 years, and we all know how the last 2 years have been for air traval.
(I can think of at least 5 airlines that served FLL that no longer exist.)
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:50 pm

I remember Icelandair 757s in the 90s and I think LTU had some scheduled charter flights as well.
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:11 pm

I remember Icelandair 757s in the 90s and I think LTU had some scheduled charter flights as well.
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I do faintly remember Icelandair at FLL in the past. I think FLL is the perfect market for Icelandair to re-enter. It is in the heart of a major US-Europe market, and they can offer really great, cheap fares to Europe.

LTU has served Miami for ages (finally upping the ante this May by going to 3x weekly with non-stops to DUS and now MUC), but I don't ever recall them serving FLL. I am pretty share that Lauda Italia served FLL. Also, after KLM Royal Dutch/Northwest entered the MIA-AMS market, there were rumours Martinair Holland would switch thier SJO-MIA-AMS service to FLL, but they were unfounded. MIA-AMS is a big moneymaking route, but not because of all the low-yielding passengers, but because of the cargo. That in itself may be one reason that FLL lacks European services. The Miami-European cargo market is huge in yields, and high cargo yields can hugely make up for lower yields on certain Miami-Europe markets, like Germany and the Netherlands, that are not huge yielding.
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:40 pm

I saw Lauda Air at FLL once, don't know if was only that one time or if it was a regular charter. I also thought Icelandair had served FLL because when you called their number it would give you the option for fort lauderdale. But what is the deal with MCO? Even before Britannia, Monarch, Airtours and Air 2000 moved to Sanford, why other major airlines like Air France or other european charter airlines never served MCO, not even seasonal? Why not now, especially that there is more avalable gate space since these UK carriers moved to SFB and the airport opened a new terminal?
 
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:15 pm

why other major airlines like Air France or other european charter airlines never served MCO, not even seasonal?

It is as simple as yields. Also, while the British flock to Orlando, the French, Finnish, German, Dutch, and Spanish, among others, perfer Miami, which has a better mix of business and cargo yields (plus, Miami attracts premium tourists, especially from France, Switzerland, and Italy). British Airways is the only non-leisure focused European carrier at MCO, and even it sends a leisure-configured aircraft to serve the market. Little doubt Orlando could probably fill a daily flight to Paris, but there is no money to be made filling it.
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RE: Status History Out Of FLL To Europe

Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:25 pm

I read that an airline flew FLL-Hannover, Germany for a short period some 20 years ago. However, my source is probably not very reliable (it was probably just a newspaper ad, barely remember) and I'm not sure whether it was non-stop or not, or charter or not. I guess you guys know how much non-aviation newspapers "know" about aviation! =)

Subject to further research ( ? )

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