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Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:35 am

Alitalia is set to announce its new long haul destinations these days. Most probably these will be the ones:

MXP- SFO
MXP-PVG
FCO-BOS

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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:36 am

Let's hope they'll re open SFO soon Smile
 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:46 am

I guess it's all with B777's?
 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:49 am

I hope so, Unique, 777 have new configuration with new economy and Magnifica Class section.
Some 767 have old Magnifica Class and some have Coral Class which is very bad.

Daniele.

P.S.

Oops, no, MXP-PVG will be 767 !!!!!


[Edited 2003-11-18 17:50:18]
 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:54 am

I think that SFO should be operated with 772. Let's hope that now AZ will order also the 773.
 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:57 am

MXP-SFO returning operated by their ne 772?
Well, they just have to spread some special offers for that flight in Germany and they can count me in for next summer  Smile

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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:12 am

Any news regarding their return to the Australian market?
 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:16 am

Do you ever think we'll see them in ATL? I know they codeshare with DL but so does AF. There is 4 daily ATL - CDG flights split between AF and DL with 2 a piece. Is it do to a lack of airplanes at Altitalia? or just low demand?
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:31 am

Do you ever think we'll see them in ATL? I know they codeshare with DL but so does AF. There is 4 daily ATL - CDG flights split between AF and DL with 2 a piece. Is it do to a lack of airplanes at Altitalia? or just low demand?

CDG is a lot more important of a hub to skyTeam than is Milan or Rome, which act more as relievers. Also, the market between Paris and the US is much more significantly larger than that between Italy and the US. Delta's two daily Atlanta-Italy flights are more than plenty to cover demand. If you were to ever see Alitalia in the Atlanta, it would likely be to replace a Delta service. However, I see it as highly unlikely. Alitalia does not have a large long-haul fleet, and even as they recieve new aircraft, thier fleet will still be limited. They are better off expanding to new markets like Shanghai and San Francisco, and letting Delta take care of Atlanta and Cincinnati.
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:36 am

I disagree MAH4546. The routes between the US and Italian airports (Rome FCO, Milan MXP, Venice VCE) are absolutely busy and operated by several airlines and always full. Alitalia is now introducing new flights to the US to offer new direct destinations. Italy can offer basically to the US carriers 2 hubs as FCO and MXP with the add of VCE, while France concentrated everything around CDG.
 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:38 am

The routes between the US and Italian airports (Rome FCO, Milan MXP, Venice VCE) are absolutely busy and operated by several airlines and always full. Alitalia is now introducing new flights to the US to offer new direct destinations. Italy can offer basically to the US carriers 2 hubs as FCO and MXP with the add of VCE, while France concentrated everything around CDG.

When did I ever not say that? Of course routes between Italy and the US are busy, but that does not change the fact that Paris is a much larger market and a much larger hub. There are more daily seats available between Miami and Paris than there are between JFK and either Rome or Milan.

[Edited 2003-11-18 18:39:51]
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:40 am

Paris is a much larger market and a much larger hub.

Sure, if you unify the traffic of MXP and FCO doesn't change respect to CDG  Smile
 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destination

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:53 am

I could see a daily Alitalia 767 from ATL-MXP. Milan gets pretty heavy traffic from Atlanta, given the size of the Atlanta hub. But I think there are some other markets that will get attention first.

 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:03 am

When is this getting announced? Whats the chance of SFO? I have told my co-workers and they are going nuts about the possiblity of them returning.
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:18 am

two points:

1) AZ, though having recently placed/received its 777 orders... is still far too short on longhaul fleet for the amount of destinations it has on hiatus to return. As for Italy-USA, it's prefered to stick to the east of the country... where a single aircraft is all that's needed for a daily roundtrip. This makes MXP-SFO/LAX rather unlikely in the near future; particularly since they codeshare via CDG/ATL/JFK as it is.


2) DL and AZ are still competitors in the Atlanta-Italy market (their ATI does not allow revenue share ex-ATL or CVG, same with DL/AF), and therefore though the airline has said it'd like to serve ATL at some point in the future, DL isnt going to just step aside and let two proven flights be taken over

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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:19 am

MXP-PVG was already announced and is open for sale. That will be operated with a 763. MXP-SFO seems to be rumored a lot as is MXP-IAD.

We will see what happens.

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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:24 am

What about MXP-IAD? Or FCO-IAD? I thought I saw in these pages a few months back that Alitalia was considering Dulles.
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:47 am

ConcordeBoy-why would you need to 2 planes for MXP-SFO or LAX? The flight is not that long. All you have to do is rotate it properly in MXP.I think SFO is very likely, the loads where tremendous. The 767 was completely full all the time.
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:00 am

As739x is right.

At the time AZ flew to SFO, they have those properly rotations:

MXP-SFO-MXP (left 10:10 and back in MXP at 12:15) then MXP-BOS-MXP (left 14:20 and back in MXP at 08:25).

So with two planes they could cover SFO and BOS.
But now BOS left MXP in the morning, allowing better connections from Middle East and India.

 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:34 am

So does anyone have the date of the announcements?
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:39 am

Anything with the date of the announcemnts? Please given me with their clue?? Thanks!
 
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RE: Alitalia To Announce New Long-haul Destinations

Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:07 am

I sure hope the AZ announcement is soon. The year 2004 is looking good for SFO. GF, EK, and EI possibly, and now it looks like AZ.
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