goingboeing
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One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:49 pm

Okay...been reading about the eventual demise of SWA because of the lack of a TV set in the seats. So I gotta ask, if given the choice of one or two flights a day between cities with a TV set, or 10 to 15 flights a day without TV, but with a scheduled that will allow you to fly out and back the same day, which is the one you'd pick?

Bottom line, which is more important - frequency or reruns of Family Ties?
 
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:56 pm

Although I think that frequency is way overrated, I still think that frequency is way more important than having TV's/PTV's on board...
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:03 am

Frequency isn't "way overrated." Consider this:

FR, Europe's most profitable airline, does not compete well with Air Wales, a CWL-based carrier, on its CWL-DUB-CWL. The reason for this is that Air Wales has a morning and an evening flight in both directions, thus enabling day trips and consequently being of interest to business people. FR, however, has a midday flight only and so requiring an overnight stay in either city. Clearly, frequency and the time of the flights are, indeed, of some importance - especially if a small carrier like Air Wales does better on the route than a well-established low-cost airline.
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:11 am

OK, maybe I should have formulated that a bit differently - what I meant by being "way overrated" is, for example, what Goingboeing said - 10-15 flights a day: to really make travel practical for business and leisure travellers alike, a route needs at least a morning and an evening flight, I'll absolutely agree with you on that - but 10-15 flights? How many routes are there where 10-15 flights are really needed?

They might be nice to have, but if I have the choice between an airline that offers 2-5 flights a day and one that offers 15, I wouldn't automatically select the one that offers 15.
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:17 am

Aha, I see. OK. Well, I won't mention WN's 32 daily flights (less at the weekend) from DAL to HOU. lol
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:27 am

Look at SWA's schedules - 16 flights a day from MDW-MCI, 12 flights a day from BWI-LAX.

Another example would be JFK to Denver...is the one daily flight on JetBlue with a TV Set more desirable than the 10 flight options available on United without TV?
 
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:51 am

Goingboeing, I think you meant 12 weekday WN BWI-PVD flights.

In my opinion, frequency is very important. Business travelers on WN who pay full fare can choose whatever flight they want based on when they are finished with their meetings or business.

I'm itching to fly FR, and when I do, I'll be able to schedule my visits around the flight times. But for a business traveler, their schedules would be rather inconvenient. I'd like to see them follow WN some more and add frequency. They have enough destinations already.
 
goingboeing
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:53 am

Nope WNfan...I'm talking 12 weekday BWI-LAX flight options.
 
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:09 am

Pe@rson, you also do not have to mention the 31 flights AA operates between NYC and CHI, or the 29 that UA operates - not to mention the 15 that CO operates.

The point is, if frequency were the all-important-thing, who - in this NYC-CHI example - would fly CO? They only operate half the frequency that AA or UA offer...

Although on a higher scale, this was what I meant by frequency being overrated.
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:10 am

Nope WNfan...I'm talking 12 weekday BWI-LAX flight options

Southwest only has three daily BWI-LAX. A fourth flight makes two stops. Everything else is via connections.

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goingboeing
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:42 am

Southwest only has three daily BWI-LAX. A fourth flight makes two stops. Everything else is via connections.

But those are options, are they not? In comparison, Jetblue offers one daily flight period between JFK and Denver while UAL has 10 options.

[Edited 2003-11-19 19:46:52]
 
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:26 am


Before we start comparing WN and UA to B6. We have to remeber that both UA and WN have been around for a very long time and have the aircraft to support 12 to 15 flights a day to a place. jetblue is just going on there 4th year and only have like 40 or so aircraft.
 
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 26, 2003 7:28 am

jetblue is just going on there 4th year and only have like 40 or so aircraft.

But to read these boards, all the other airlines are going to fail because they don't have TV sets in the seats. All I want to know is - if you've got 5 flights on the other guy that can get you home, will you wait for the 1 flight on JetBlue to get your TV set??
 
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 26, 2003 7:44 am

If you believe the opinions of 13 year olds maybe........
 
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:42 am

ok... most flts are only a few hours, you can live without a friggen TV ok people....

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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:44 am

Aside from the question, why in the hell would you need to watch TV at 37000 ft? Sure, on an int'l flight, it may be important, but on a 2,3, or 4 hour flight, why can't you people who are obsessed with PTV's read a book, look out the window, or something like that. Why don't you watch television at home?
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:02 am

this is a bit of a hypothetical to say the least.

I mainly longhaul with VS which has PTV's on every seat, or BA which has both PTV's and frequency.

I could fly non-PTV airlines from the UK, say Delta, Northwest etc, but why should I?

gotta keep my flyclub miles up with VS!

shorthaul is a different matter, and i can live without it, but then in the UK you dont have any shorthauls (correct me if I'm wrong) that offer PTV.

So shorthaul we get frequency (much more important for shorthaul, less so for longhaul) and no PTV's!
 
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RE: One Flight With TV Vs 10 Flights Without

Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:02 am

After someone takes their first flight on B6 or any carrier with PTV's with satellite connection, they quickly realize that the 24 channels at 35,000 feet are just like the 600 channels at home... nothing good on!

Seasoned travelers would rather choose an airline for frequency then PTV's.

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Another example would be JFK to Denver...is the one daily flight on JetBlue with a TV Set more desirable than the 10 flight options available on United without TV?

UA has video on all it's fleet except the 737's. It's a question of would someone choose PTV's with satellite feed or overhead preprogrammed video.
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