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Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:25 am

Does anyone know what Atlantic Coast's new low fare service will do to its Delta Connection arm? I know United is ending their relationship with them, but what about DL?

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IFly4UAL
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:30 am

To the best of my knowledge, and according to ACA press releases, the Delta Connection operation will remain as it is now and will not be affected by ACA's new business venture.
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rducky
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:32 am

I heard Mesa Air is looking to take over Atlantic Coast Airlines, I figure Delta Connection will be handled by Mesa Air if that happens.


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bucky707
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:06 am

As the Delta pilot contract is written, no DCI carrier can operate an aircraft larger than 72 seats for a turboprop or 70 seats for a jet.
 
syncmaster
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:09 am

I believe, like what IFly4UAL said, the current Delta Connection operations by ACA will remain the same as stated in the press releases.
 
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:12 am

As Bucky707, the arrival of narrowbodies at ACA will violate the contract Delta has with DALPA. The contract does allow for DL to terminate the contract with 180 days notice and allow DL to buy the FRJ's. Rumors have said that DL will place the FRJ's with Comair.
 
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:18 am

But wouldn't that contract only be valid for flights operated under the Delta Connection name?
 
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:31 am

Syncmaster,

You would think it would only apply to planes operated by DL Connection. But the contract with DALPA, specifically prohibits DL from contracting with any regional that operates greater than 70 seat RJ's EVEN IF THEY DO NOT OPERATE FOR DL CONNECTION. It's a weird contract clause, but DALPA was very concerned about DL getting into bed with regionals that are "stealing" mainline flying.
 
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:32 am

I don't doubt that aca will loose the dci contract, but I am doubtful that comair will take the jets.. The reason being that delta has tried to diversify its regionals so no one dominates a hub.. So if comair gets the FRJ, they get Cincinnati all back
 
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:55 am

I doubt Delta Connection Inc would buy the Dorniers from ACA. The company has not been too happy with the dispatch reliability on them and the MX CX rate on them is nearly twice that of the CRJ. If ACA is cut from its' Delta Connection contract, I would expect Chautauqua to come in and replace them on the current ACA DCI routes.
 
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:05 am

Atlantic Coast is spawning Independece Air, which is not really part of ACA. I guess some legal placement of the business can make it work.

That would be too bad if DCI lost the ACA FroJos, I like that aircraft (for a regional jet), and like flying into concourse A @ CVG.

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syncmaster
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:11 am

Same here B4real, Concourse A is very nice at CVG, very. Not to mention the 328JET is very comfortable to ride in compared to other planes.
 
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:34 am

Syncmaster I thought I was the only one! The interiors are nice, the fa's have the DL uniforms, the A seat (window+aisle) can't be beat, planeside valet is nice.

I don't know what else someone could want from a regional jet.  Nuts However, the exit row on the Comair and ASA CRJ-7 series is nice.
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FlyPNS1
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:38 am

I believe that if DL terminates the contract, they are obligated to take the FRJ's. Not a very good deal, considering all the problems that ACA has had with them and that they are not common with the rest of Comair/ASA's fleet.

 
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:09 pm

ACA initially thought they would keep the DL flying, since their DL Connection agreement doesn't prohibit it. It was only after ACA made their announcement that DL told them about the clause in the DL pilot's contract that prohibits DL connection carriers from flying jets with over 70 seats. DL may terminate the contract without cause with (I believe) 90 days notice (not 180 as previously stated). ACA then has the option to force DL to buy the 328JETs. ACA has said that it would exercise that option, in order to simplify their fleet. Check ACA's recent 10-Q, that's where I got the info.
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B4REAL
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:00 pm

It is going to be a while before ACA actually flies an Airbus, however.

The press release states that ACA., .: hua, Independence Air will not be entering service with these Airbus aircraft until Nov. 2004.

Does anyone know when DL's current agreement with ACA expires?
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RE: Atlantic Coast Still Part Of DL Connection?

Thu Nov 20, 2003 2:04 pm

Just to follow-up-
ACA is transforming form a regional feeder to
a stand alone, low cost carrier, which will be
Independence Air. ACA(ACAI,stock symbol)
has ordered 25 aircraft from Airbus.

10 A319
5 A320

A lease for a additional 10 A319, was announced.

The stock as of today-
$10.35 per share.
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