lehpron
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Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:39 am

In every thread so far, our fellow members have noted the extreme similarities with this plane's projected parameters with existing planes on both side of the Atlantic. What if this plane does not sell enough in the long term mainly due to pre-existing products that may be cheaper for their efficiency as others?

I heard so many references with the 77x and A330-x versions; is this aircraft in jeopardy? An analogy would be like Intel making both the Pentium and the Celeron chips: two products from same company and for SAME market.

I do not know what Boeing is thinking, since their recent projects have not been as prominent, I cannot automatically have faith.
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:57 am

What if this plane does not sell enough in the long term mainly due to pre-existing products that may be cheaper for their efficiency as others?

Boeing/Airbus obviously didnt let such "pettiness" (for lack of a better term) halt the 777/A330 projects.... both of which swiftly and completely dominated their already-existent cheaper competitors.
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:00 am

Do birds fly?  Big grin

Yes. The 7e7 will be a success.
 
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:49 am

Saying that the Pentium and the Celeron serve the same market is like comparing a Hyundai Sonata(sorry if you own one) to a BMW 330i. Anyways, I believe that if Boeing does their homework, the 7E7 will sell itself and will dominate until Airbus can make a competing product. Until Airbus gets over the jumbo hangover, airlines will almost have to buy the 7E7. And no, it does not compete with the A330.
 
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:36 am

Why not ask if the 2008 Ford F-150 pick-up is going to get good mileage?  Big grin
 
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:15 am

We still don't know what performance of 7E7 will be like as engineers are still working on him. Really hard to predict success or failure now.
If everything that Boeing promises become true it will be a big success. But... Boeing projected 717 as a great success as well and what happened .... We know.
 
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:37 pm

A replacement for 757/767 from one of a near duopoly of airframe makers. It will makes lots of money for Boeing.

I predict a cummulative orderbook of 400 planes within three years of the first delivery.
 
lehpron
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:02 pm

But why would airlines, either with those aircraft (757/767) or other similar planes (A33x), just go off and buy another?

If it broke why fix it?

Yeah Boeing is confident, they were just as confident with previous canceled projects, what happens this time that makes a 7E7 worth investing in over time? Things like people and time changes, the market may disappear or overload.
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:15 pm

"Things like people and time changes, the market may disappear or overload."

Youre right. But that goes for Airbus as well.
 
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:00 am

If they build it the answer is yes. Hopefully all those former MD execs will not try and pull the plug.
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lehpron
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:17 am

"If they build it the answer is yes "

I've heard that old saying, but shouldn't it be "if it is asked for it will be built" and therefore, etc, etc?

"Youre right. But that goes for Airbus as well. "

Of course but I meant that expecting or concluding one way is silly, which is why I am upset at most folks' predictions about sonic transports, they assume and accept what they hear and read too much.
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:45 am

Lehpron:

I don't think Boeing will build it if they don't get sufficient launch order for it.
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:04 am

Just like what Snoop Dogg sang in the movie "Old School" along with the guy in the green hat....the 7E7 will "make money money money...."
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RE: Will 7E7 Make Money....?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:08 am

time will tell if they get it into production and if it will be a money maker then.
noone is able to make educated guesses on it and even less able to make statements based on facts.
therefore its all just a huge pile of wild guesses. time will tell.
what i dont see yet is the mysterious "7e7 tech", something that came out of nowhere onto our puny planet and now seems the cure to all boeing and airline industry problems. it will also make the 747 with 7e7tech enhancement better then the a380 yet it is impossible to use 7e7tech to make the a330 competetive with the 7e7.
it is indeed a very complicated situation since no specifications have been posted yet how the 7e7tech can even make the 7e7  Smile
so i think its best to think of it as boeing having learned from its past mistakes and now introducing more modern materials and cockpit commonality and general improvements in operating costs.
so if you think about the mysterious 7e7tech it might indeed be relabeled to "boeingusingairbusconcepts" with some added "bleedless engines". however there have been nothing more then wild guesses about how it will all work without engine bleed or less bleed and maybe a spiced up apu giving the bleed with the main engines only serving emergency bleed backup.(which would after all be impossible for airbus to add to a second generation 330 since we talk about 7e7tech).
overall my wild guess is that the 7e7 just near its promised performance will be a good seller especially to the point to point priority of u.s. airlines.
i do however see airlines like JAL and ANA enjoy their first airbus sometime soon to be able to get more pax into their slot restricted airports.
same in europe.
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