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Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:39 am

Have a look at the picture...??? Looks like they are flying them around, could this be just testing them before slapping a much need Canadian registration on them and flown over here...would be a great addition to the YYZ-DEL route!!


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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:46 am

They were supposed to take them, but they cant afford them at the moment and Airbus hasnt found anyone else to take them. Emirates and Royal Bruini have both been rumoured, but nothing has been decided yet. I belive Air Canada is still planning on taking delivery of the A346 which they ordered 3 frames.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:52 am

I do not quite understand the photographer's comments:

All A345 aircraft for Air Canada are paid but NTU (according to Airbus...) wonder why this one was flying around later the day.

Can someone explain?
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:19 pm

I think they want them, maybe they have plans for them when they come out of bankruptcy protection
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:51 pm

A340-541 445 F-WWTH stored Chateaurous
A340-541 464 F-WWTJ was ferried from Chateaurous to TLS on 23rd OCT.

BOTH ARE FOR EMIRATES NOW.

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:20 am

Emirates eh? Where'd you hear that?
EH.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:11 am

I don't think he knows what he's talking about. Nobody knows.
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:12 am

Emirates will commence Dubai-JFK service June 1st, 2004 with the 345.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:32 am

Off topic, but that is one lovely looking plane  Wow!

Does anyone know what routes the A340 will be used on if AC were to actually be able to afford them? Just the YYZ-DEL?

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:41 am

they were originally purchased with the intention of YYZ-HKG; their first scheduled flights would have been YYZ-NRT.
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:51 am

Ahhh, many thanks ConcordeBoy.  Wink/being sarcastic

It is such a shame to hear about leading Airlines going into financial ruins  Sad

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:18 am

YYZ-DEL
YYZ-HKG
YYZ-NRT ....are the AC A 345 routes

Future : (my hopes)

YYZ-DXB
YYZ-BOM
YYZ-ICN
YYZ-JNB
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:22 am

They also talked about flying YYZ to Australia with the 500's.
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:31 am

Wasn't there talk about a YVR-SYD direct route with the 500s?
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:39 am

All A345 aircraft for Air Canada are paid but NTU (according to Airbus...) wonder why this one was flying around later the day.

I think he means AC already paid for both of the aircraft, but in the end, they decided not to take delivery of the two.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:07 am

"YYZ-DXB
YYZ-BOM
YYZ-ICN
YYZ-JNB"

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I think its a little far fetched.

C'mon... whats next YYZ-Antartica? YYZ-Addis Adaba?


 
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Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:18 am

Perhaps they are delaying the delivery of the A340-500s to a later date ?
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:23 pm

C'mon... whats next YYZ-Antartica? YYZ-Addis Adaba?

As illogical as those routes are, they make more sense than YUL-Antarctica or YUL-Addis Ababa.

YUL can't even support SFO service on a sustained basis.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:09 pm

Sir captaingomers,

You have facts to say they are not going to EK. FINE show us! Dont tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:41 am

Once again..

Neil hijacks the thread.

Good going.

 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:57 am

I will try to tell you guys what is going on with the 345's this week, because AC called me back to active duty after 6 months of layoff, and Ill be back at the 340/330 line. I will see what the computer and the managers have to say about the 345. Last time I checked on the computers, both 951 and 952 were already entered!
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:18 am

N754pr ... I did not mean to imply you were nuts or anything, but at this point, the case of the A345's is completely up in the air. Until those aircraft are in EK colours, or are in Canada operating for Air Canada, or are in any other airline's colours, nobody knows what is going on with those aircraft. With all due respect, we must all just wait and see. I heard many different people assure me they knew what they were talking about regarding these aircraft, yet they all have different opinions. Go figure, experts never agree!

Anyways ... these A345's are still up for adoption and looking for a home.
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:41 am

BOTH ARE FOR EMIRATES NOW.

You have facts to say they are not going to EK. FINE show us! Dont tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Ok where are your facts... N754pr? Maybe these aircrafts are with AA? When you come up with some facts, please share them with us, we only want to know the direction of Air Canada, and if they takes these aircraft it will answer a lot of questions. They have just recently taken the Ex-Canadian 744's out of service, so there is a room for a large capacity long haul aircraft. The A345 would fit perfect there.

Just the facts pall, no attacking people with a lot of Air Canada knowledge  Big thumbs up

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:19 am

Yes Mark, any potential route from Toronto is of course far fetched meanwhile any potential route from Montreal is of course bound to do well right?  Yeah sure

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:28 am

Yet again, another YYZ vs YUL flamebashing war.

I think Toronto and Montreal should declare total war against each other. After both cities are annihilated, AC should move their major operational hub to Thunder Bay, or Kelowna. (tongue firmly planted in cheek)
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:31 am

Neil
(Mark) C'mon... whats next YYZ-Antartica? YYZ-Addis Adaba?

(Neil) As illogical as those routes are, they make more sense than YUL-Antarctica or YUL-Addis Ababa.

YUL can't even support SFO service on a sustained basis


Mark
Once again..

Neil hijacks the thread.


I thought you guys said you'd do you best to cool it.... You just baited each other into another round of endless YYZ-YUL crap.. If you choose to do it again this time at least leave enough threads between your banter to let the original topic continue. This is an interesting subject and I really could care less who's bigger, better, more successful, more important or more relevant between YUL and YYZ... but that's just me.




 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:56 am

Once again..

Neil hijacks the thread.

Good going.


Actually Mark, you hijacked the thread with your first post. AC is going to expand internationally at YYZ (to places like JNB, nonstop HKG, etc). Get over it.
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:24 am

Actually Marco.

You have nothing to say... which is usually what happens.

 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:51 am

All you do is whine about airlines ignoring YUL. Get over. If you need help, go see a therapist. People are really getting sick of your whining.
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:56 am

Yes Marco.

BECAUSE THATS HOW I TRULY FEEL  Big thumbs up

 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:04 am

Anyway let's get back to the topic(which isn't about YUL - GASP!)...

Is AC ever going to consider buying some A345's in the future?

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:09 am

Is AC ever going to consider buying some A345's in the future?

AC will no doubt re-consider the 345/346 once (if?) their finances improve IMHO. It's the ideal addition for routes with more capacity demand that the 343, in particular routes where the 343 is payload restricted.

I think AC will eventually roll over their 763/744 fleet with the 332/345/346 combination, and in time replace the 343 fleet with more 333/346 aircraft.

The 2 AC-built 345's remain in Chateauroux....my bibles (Av Letter, and airways news online) report that they have been marketed by AI to SAA, Iran Air, Emirates and Qatar, but no takers yet.

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:11 am

I hope they consider them in the future.. I'm not sure what to really expect after they come out of bankrupcy. It would seem they plan to both lessen the amount of flights on the Canadian market and offer more international flights.. Right now all the key international destinations are well served. I'm not sure what's left that would warrant a large A345 size plane to be used. Perhaps they could go to Delhi or Mumbai.. Maybe Singapore and Hong Kong.. but I don't think there is a lage market left untapped that would warrant it. They will be left with secondary routes to open up which means an even greater need to have better feeds into the main hubs, not less. I'm not too confident about this strategy but time will tell. I think they would be left using them on existing routes mainly.

[Edited 2003-11-23 00:12:43]
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:17 am

I'm not sure what's left that would warrant a large A345 size plane to be used.

The 345 is actually not much bigger than the 343 Caribb. It just has much greater range/payload capability.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:37 am

Its a 4 frame stretch... vs the 20 frame stretch of the 340-600.

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:57 am

The 345 is actually not much bigger than the 343 Caribb. It just has much greater range/payload capability

True. Then the whole point of getting the -500s would be for the range and added payload. Then perhaps the -600s would be the more logical plane for them to get and leave the -300s for their current and any new longer haul routes. Just coming out of bankrupcy might not be the best time to gamble on new weaker secondary routes that will need a lot of developing while taking on a small handful of specialty aircraft. They need some time to rebuild. Sometimes I even question if the A340-300s and A330-300s they have now are not too big for some of the runs they put them on. The A340-200 & A330-200 might even be a better choice for them. They'd fit well into existing routes and would be better suited to many secondary markets they'll probably look at in the future and would offer more flexibility when markets change.

[Edited 2003-11-23 01:06:53]
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:59 pm

Hardkor - you did hear right YVR to SYD was a A345 route scheduled for DEC 2003 (heard straight from the sales at Air Canada back in FEB 2003 - right before SARS, Iraq war). Instead it will continue SYD-HNL-YVR but now with 10 x services a week up from the daily service.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:10 pm

The A340-200 is never a better choice. It boasts operating costs equal to the A340-300X, so the chance of added profit makes the 343 a better frame.

The A330-200 may be a more appropriate plane than the A330-300.

YVR-SYD is somewhat within the range of the 346, which I believe AC is still obligated to receive at some point.

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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:50 pm

The A340-200 is never a better choice. It boasts operating costs equal to the A340-300X,

On a seat-per-mile basis, the 342 has slightly higher costs than the 343, as per any "shrink".

The A330-200 may be a more appropriate plane than the A330-300.

I'm sure that AC will order the 332 to replace the 763 once their finances improve.

YVR-SYD is somewhat within the range of the 346, which I believe AC is still obligated to receive at some point.

AC's value in the YCR-SYD market is the 5th freedom rights it has on all segments of the YVR-HNL-SYD route, hence there is no intent or benefit for AC to fly YVR-SYD nonstop.





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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:24 pm

I predict that AC's A340-600 frames on order will complete to delivery ready before the airline says NONO We can't afford it and pull off an A345 stunt.  Laugh out loud

Then they will move their head offices to Calgary, operate for a month before retreating back to Montreal cuz of WestJet nightmares.

As for possible replacement, I duno.. More A343s with slightly improved parts, and do their long distance trips with the fuel stops in ANC or somethin.
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:55 pm

I thought AC was going to move to an all EMB145/Q400 fleet? I guess they can make room for two 345's.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:29 pm

Would you guys believe that IRAN AIR was a strong contender to these two A345s way back in Sept? Don't know about it now... Other possiblities were SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS and EMIRATES. But as EK had their own share of A345s and A346s on order already, they didn't want any more.
 
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RE: Is Air Canada Taking Delivery Of Their A345's?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:29 pm

Just from memory, but won't some later A340-500/600s perform better then the first few 25 off the line.

Maybe they will use the courts to get out of the early obligations, and latch on to some better performing Airbus 340 airframes later.

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