QANTASpower
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QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:00 pm

Hi,

I just returned from a trip to New York flying QF. I was suprised to see very light loads on the LAX to JFK sectors. On the flight from LAX to JFK there would not have been 100 people on the 744 which can carry approx 400. The return from JFK to LAX would have had say 150-200 people. In contrast the Flights from SYD to LAX were 85-90% full.

It would seem QF would be losing money on these flights. Do you think the JFK flights will last based on these low loads or will they revert to code sharing with AA.

Thanks

QFP
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:07 pm

welcome back!

I surely hope they DON'T go back to codeshare with AA.

QF 107/108 is an awesome service!

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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:15 pm

hey mirrodie!

I hope so too! ... it was very nice to say the least to have 4 seats to myself after a 12 hour flight from Sydney. A few years back now QF was daily into New York hopefully they can return to thsi frequency.

One thing that is a big problem with QF 107 is that you have to clear customs in LAX before transiting onto to JFK. This takes away alot of the convenience of going QF all the way.

Regards

QFP

 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:15 pm

It is the low season now... well shoulder, but it is expected that loads are low

Btw, how's the IFE in the class you were travelling?

Jimmy
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:16 pm

i flew on QF107 coming back from YSSY, but switched to an AA 76 to STL then an S80 to JFK. when we arrived at JFK, VH-OEB [QF107 that day] was already there. why i didnt take it for the LAX-JFK sector i dont know...

QF flies the route three times a week, and is scheduled to arrive as the international arrivals begin to dwindle. they fly 107/108 on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays. which day did you fly? i would think that wednesdays may be the busier day, so all the aussies can arrive home by friday  Laugh out loud. or maybe it's the off day, and fri/sun are the filled flights.

whatever the reason, im sure its not like that on a regular basis. maybe i should fly all three times during the week just to test it out, eh?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2003-11-21 04:17:24]
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:20 pm

Hi Jimmy,

"QANTAS Total Entertainment" is fantastic. I watched about 8 movies on the return flight. It worked flawlessly on all flights. It was very popular with the passengers. It would be good if they upgraded it to AVOD though. I would also like to see a bigger selection of music CD's.

I was also lucky enough to score a 744ER on my return home. Other than the crew on the SYD to LAX sector QF were excellent.

Hopefully I will get time to submit a trip reprt next week.

Thanks
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:34 pm

You would wonder if QF should be looking at ultra long range aircraft with smaller capacity but with the range to do SYD-JFK non-stop. Not sure if A345s or B777LRs are able to do this. The A380 surely won't. I hope Qantas is a bit more patient with the NY service in terms of profitability. Senior management at QF seem to have a habit of pulling out relatively quickly if routes don't make money in view of the airline's new (and rather successful) focus on profitability since privatisation. New York and Sydney are 2 great world cities to be able to link directly, and this service has a 'blue ribbon' feel to it. The only pain in the ass is the LAX transit and I don't think i'm the only one who hates LAX.(despite it's plane spotting fiestas!).
As I said before, it would be nice to have a non-stop flight as such SQ will have with their new leadership A345s coming online next year.
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:38 pm

That;s right, I remember now it IS shoulder season. And while hte 744Er is great, I must admit that doing it again on an A380 might be a treat!

BTW, looking forward to hear about your experience on the Super 80.
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:48 pm

Glad you liked the flights. Can anybody get on these JFK-LAX and vice versa flights or is it just connecting international passengers? The light load reminds me of a United flight from SYD-MEL. Seems like the same type of situation with the number of passengers.

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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:12 pm

Yeah, I agree -- 107/108 is a fantastic service, far far far better than the AA codeshare deal. A direct SYD-NYC would be even better, I'd take it twice a year (I do 107/108 at least once a year now); the change in LAX is kind of a pain, especially switching terminals.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:16 pm

Do u guys think that there would ever be a SYD/MEL-SFO-YYZ service?
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:17 pm

QF107/108 is basically a freighter service, the only passenger flight that can take LD3s cross country. The money is in cargo, carrying passengers is a bonus!
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:35 pm

To answer your question Copaair737: UA has a daily SYD to SFO service and is the only carrier to do so. No direct Mel-Sfo yet althoughi think the numbers travelling between the two cities may be too small and i'm not sure if Mel-Sfo is JUST outside the 744er's range.
Air Canada has a syd-yvz service via hononlulu which is booming as they are the sole carrier on this route-they have recently added capacity from daily flights to 10 services a week, so their numbers would have to be good.
Qantas is usually pretty shy of starting new rountes unless they are pretty damn sure there's profit, so i doubt we will see them stray too far from LAX in the near future.
Also, the aussie dollar is skyrocketing-so less americans are going to come down under..
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:37 pm

Qantasclub, do u think that if UA discontinues australia service, that QF will fly to SFO?
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:41 pm

Air Canada has a syd-yvz service via hononlulu which is booming as they are the sole carrier on this route-they have recently added capacity from daily flights to 10 services a week

Air Canada discontinued the SYD-HNL-YYZ service a while ago. It is now SYD-HNL-YVR.
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:43 pm


I can remember QF doing a study to see the economics of flying direct between Sydney and Dallas using an ultra long range aircraft. This would then feed AA's biggest hub.

QF wont be back to SFO anytime soon. Why would you compete with UAL at one of their hubs??? Even with a smaller plane they don't have the presence of AA at the other end for connecting flights. That was why they dumped it altogether in the first place.

Hopefully QF expand to New York and eventually go daily and re-introduce services to Chicago.

I could also see QF doing a Sydney-Vancouver direct service. Or if they still can't make the range then Brisbane-Vancouver. Although the Brisbane service is unlikely because QF management don't believe in International services outside of Sydney anymore.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:47 pm

sorry-my mistake. Vancouver, not toronto. Geez. how come the Canadians get left with YYZ and YVR?!! what terrible codes.
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:42 pm

QANTASpower (or anyone who can answer this):

Why do they require that you clear customs in LAX as opposed to JFK?
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:47 pm

It is normal that you clear customs on your first entry point to US soil

 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:44 pm

Ted747:


Is that true of ALL international flights? I ask because a while back (1996) I was traveling from Jamaica to the US on a JM flight from Jamaica to BWI and PHL. When the planed landed at BWI, PHL passengers were not required to disembark. Of course this was in 1996. Maybe the regulations are a bit different now.

Anyway, thanks for the info.
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:50 pm

Hi

i just have a few questions about clearing customs etc in LAX. Next year I'll be heading to JFK and most likley with QF. I've been to LAX a few times but this will be my first time going to JFK with QF, last time was with CO.
Most likley I'll be on QF93 from MEL to LAX. Now i have to clear customs here, do I also collect my bags or are these checked into JFK? I know it's all T4 as well, ah well bye bye Bradley. I'm just curious about how the flights to JFK work with QF.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 5:18 pm

Flyinghighboy,

You will have to collect your bags from QF94 then clear customs then check them in again for QF 107 to JFK. Apparently this is how it works in the USA.

The same applies for people on the QF 107 from Sydney. You don't get your bags checked through to JFK. It was pretty bad actually as the lines were huge.

Regards

QFP
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:15 pm

Do you also get your boarding pass in LAX?
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:31 pm

The LAX-JFK leg on QF107 is restricted to online connecting passengers only. I guess even through pax have to clear Customs/Immigration at JFK because there are pax connecting off other QF flights - but surely it would be easier to keep through and connecting pax in transit and fly them all to JFK and clear them there ?
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:56 pm

Your boarding pass is issued for the whole journey as SYD-NYC or vice versa, and so are allocated the same seat. You just have to clear customs pick up the bags check them in again at the AA transfer counter just after where you have picked up the bags - well at least that is what I have had to do
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:37 pm

Is there much to do at T4? I think there is about a 2 hour wait, well after customs and colleting bags probably goes down to an hour.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:46 pm

Isn't the new QF/AA lounge in T4? Has anyone been in it yet? it has to be a vast improvement on the tom bradley lounge which was pathetic. Does anyone know when the Melbourne QF flight (94/95) will move over to this terminal?
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mirrodie
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:02 am

although it has been 2 years, I remember being in the terminal and going to a lounge and having drinks between flights. It was somewhere upstairs and overlooked the Qantas check in area.
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:06 am

Mirrodie, thats the old lounge in Tom Bradley. AA and QF have a new lounge in T4. It's supposed to be quite flash.
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:22 am

The way the bags work at most airports is that your bags will be checked to JFK and you'll receive your boarding passes as well all the way to JFK, however all bags must be cleared at the first point of entry. This, I believe, is mainly due to the extensive air travel in the US and the manpower required to have customs at every airport in the US would be enormous. After you get your bag just outside of customs should be a transfer desk. There you drop off your bag and it gets transferred to the next flight. All you have to do now is go back and go through security.

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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:51 am

QantasClub

QF 93/94 are already in T4 I believe. Just the flight from BNE/AKL is still at TOm Bradley.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:12 am

Are you sure about that, flyinghighboy? I thought it was just syd flights and the 107/108. If thats the case, then do any QFs still use tom bradley. And what the new AA/QF lounge-has anyone been in it?
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:35 pm

I was in the new T4 AA/QF lounge a few days after it opened in September. It is quite flash; much more like other international QF lounges than an AA lounge. But you still need to be given vouchers for free alcoholic drinks (are these only given to QF passengers?) And I don't recall there being the same standard of food available compared to other QF lounges, although it's a bit of a maze and I might have missed a section of the lounge. I saw just the usual crap coffee and pretzels / cookies...
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:31 pm

Well the QF flights from BNE/AKL are still using Bradley, i'm not sure when they want to move those flights into T4, sooner than later i guess.

If you do a flight fare on the QF website for 93/94 it shows it is using T4. Plus on the flyertalk forums there are users confirming that it is using T4. QF does need to update their website though as it still lists only 107/108 using T4 and 93/94 still using Bradley.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:13 pm

The new lounge in T4 is a huge improvement over the TBIT lounge, but it's still an Admiral's Club at heart, hence the standard of service and facilities is far lower than Qantas Clubs in Australia, the free food is still limited to biscuits, cheese and crackers.

In September only flights to Sydney and JFK were using T4, with the others in TBIT, although my flight from MEL arrived into T4. It's great when you deplane at T4 and walk past the QF 744 with the nose about 6 feet from the glass.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:02 pm

how about deplaning from one of the remote stands at LAX, i did that in 02 when i flew on QF93 from MEL-AKL-LAX. Now that was impressive!!
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:28 am

On a related topic, the last time I arrived at JFK from London, the United people kept announcing a connection for Australia: that seemed odd to me. What European would choose to be routed down under via the USA, ESPECIALLY with a stopover at JFK?! (LHR-SFO-SYD would make a tiny bit more sense). Weird.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:41 am

KQ777:

There actually quite a few Australia to London via the US fares.

They're actually quite a good deal, only cost a little bit more (less than a round the world) and you end up being able to go to both the US and the UK.
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:47 am

my dad flew QF12 LAX-SYD and it departed from T4, i also flew QF108 LAX-SYD from T4 back in August. Also, when i came back on QF11, the plane came to the gate at the bradley terminal, but we proceeded to under T4 customs. I had no idea where i was when i cleared customs, then i realized i was standing outside T4 instead of the bradley, incredibly confusing
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:32 pm

The customs system in America is a joke, having to clear customs on first entry point. You would think that at most airports in the US there is customs there, and customs could be done at the end.

In australia, if we go from like LAX-SYD-MEL, bags get checked straight through to MEL, and no need to clear customs in SYD or re-check the bags. Only if we are going to a domestic/regional airport we have to cleawr and recheck, as there aren't international facilities or flights there.

Considering 107/108 is LAX-JFK, logistically, it should be much easier just to checkj straight through, and clear customs in JFK not LAX. Saves time pverall, and people don't have to que for another flight. THe US should really look at its customs laws and re-write them.....
 
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RE: QF'S New York Flights

Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:50 pm

Canada seems even more bizarre - I flew LHR-YHZ-BOS on Air Canada, I had to retrieve my bags in YHZ, clear passports AND customs in Canada (even though I stayed in transit), fly to BOS and clear customs and immigration in the US - what are these people on ? It didn't help that AC managed to leave my checked luggage behind at LHR (morons), by the time I had registered with AC the fact that they had lost it, I had to sprint to catch my connecting flight. And did they apologise, or offer me an upgrade ? Did they buggery...
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