Leezyjet
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Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:05 am

As has already been mentioned, 2 VC-25's took off from LHR today.

What has not been mentioned (or I have missed it) is that they caused huge delays to the rest of the airlines and passengers who were unfortunate enough to be flying out of LHR today.

At the time they were due to go, 09R was in use for take-off, but they made the a/c that had already pushed go to 09L for takeoff and effectively shut down 1 runway to allow the 2 VC-25's to depart, about 20 minutes apart !!.

The result of the single runway operation has had huge knock on effects for the airlines, probably resulting in a few missed connections here and there too, which the airlines will have to fork out for out of their own pockets and it wasn't even their fault.

When I left work today there were 40 minute start up delays for a/c already at LHR. I hate to think of the slot's for shorthaul a/c inbound to LHR, but I can guess they were just as bad too.

When they came in the other night, it didn't cause too much of a problem as it wasn't as busy at that time of day, but today they want out at one of the busiest times on the busiest day of the week !!!.

What stoopid idiot decided on letting them fly into LHR anyway ???

Flying into Brize Norton or Mildenhall would have been a much better option for the cowboy's security and would have had less of an impact on the rest of the free world !!. It would have just meant a slightly longer helicopter ride for him.

Just spoken to someone at the airport about 30mins ago and it's only just getting back to "normal" - and all for 1 guy !!!.

The US Government should be made to pay out for all the extra expenses that the airlines at LHR suffered today as a result - but that won't ever happen, an already struggling industry just has to deal with it !!!.  Angry

(Co-incidentally whilst I'm writing this, I'm watching a documentary about AF1 on National Geographic !!!).

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:09 am

I might switch over to National Geographic.. Laugh out loud

But Children in Need is on, and they've just named a bmibaby aircraft pudseybaby  Big thumbs up

Josh

[Edited 2003-11-21 23:10:31]
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:12 am

Ugh. This is sure to do wonders for our international relations. Sounds like the infamous Clinton haircut at LAX, but at a time when our esteemed president's image overseas couldn't be much worse...
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:23 am

What has not been mentioned (or I have missed it) is...

You missed it.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1271543/

Incidentally...

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This happens at every airport the US President flies to, always has. People are now just much quicker to whine since it involves an unpopular president.

[Edited 2003-11-21 23:30:47]
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:27 am

The president does not personally decide which airport he flies into. He gets on the plane and goes where it takes him. Moving the president around the world safely is no small task.

Whether he's a republican or democrat, they are all treated the same as far as their movement throughout the US and the world. The rest of us just have to be patient and deal with it. I'm sure this sort of thing happens at every airport the president travels to.
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Leezyjet
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:31 am

Actually 4holer, that topic refers to the INBOUND flights. I already stated that they didn't have as much of an effect. I was talking about the OUTBOUND flights.

Oh and as for Waaaaaaahhhhhh !! (assuming your trying to mimic the sound of a baby crying) That is exactly why this happend because Georgy Porgy cried and wanted all this "extra" special treatment - for god's sake did he really think he was coming to the 3rd world or something ?? I'm sure Tony Bliar doesn't get the same treatment when he lands in the US !!.

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:45 am

More proof that George W. doesn't give a rat's about the average person, and especially the traveling public. His "terrorists around every corner" speeches, designed to keep Americans cowering at home, have been horrible for the international travel industry, and the whole message is really cynical coming from a man who did a Travel Industry Association ad in the wake of 9/11 standing in front of a UA 744 encouraging Americans to get out and fly. I'm embarassed that for the sake of a photo op, W. and his handlers had to screw up some travelers' day.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:01 am

More proof that George W. doesn't give a rat's about the average person, and especially the traveling public.
******

This is actually the same policy for all presidents of most major countries, France, Germany, all the same. Heads of state get extra security

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:15 am

The man could have got his extra security at any one of the London-area military airfields that already have a high level of security and not caused so much chaos at LHR. As Leezy said, there is Brize Norton or Mildenhall, and I believe also Manston is a former base with a long runway that has little or no civil passenger traffic. The issue is, this was a visit hosted not so much by the British Government but by the Royal Family, and they have what basically amounts to a Royal FBO at LHR, so that's where W. went.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:17 am

River,
Its reads like you are whining more for you and your political slant than for any concern about travelers. Your hyperbole about Americans cowering at home is laughable...espcially coming from someone being "in the industry."
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:19 am

Boo, hoo, cry me a river that some people were delayed so the President of the most powerful country in the world was safe flying home. Get over it, the United States is the powerful country in the world (GWB is probably the most powerful man in the world) and there are legitimate threats against us (him) and therefore freedom (the US is the main force of freedom in the world) the require extra security to occur.

Maybe he went overboard on the security at Buckingham Palace, etc, but the plane thing, that's what happens all over the world for President Bush and every other head of state.

Just stuff the anti-Americanism and move on.

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:23 am

Vector
At least I am willing to disclose what I do for a living. You are probably one of those people that thinks an aircraft is designed for dropping bombs on people, not carrying them to a holiday or a business trip. This is airliners.net for a reason, if you want to make it a political discussion go ahead, in another forum, but I see what W. has done to my business, you don't, so why don't you mind your own business unless you have some facts to add to this discussion. I live 5 miles from Ground Zero and used to work in the World Trade Center, so don't start in with the "you hate America" BS either. What I hate is hypocracy from people like you. Americans aren't out traveling because they are scared, not because airfares are too expensive.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:34 am

One more point:
If you go to
http://www.tia.org/Press/bushadfacts.asp
At the bottom of the page, you will see a link to the President's Travel Industry Association TV ad that ran in the Fall/Winter of 2001, post 9/11.
The man clearly says himself, and this is a quote, that we must not "cower in our homes but resume our normal traveling lives."
The man used the word cower himself. Does that make him anti-American too? The travel business was recovering, with the support of the President, in the months after 9/11. He then went on to invade Iraq and set back the recovery by at least a year or two. I suggest those that want to make an argument based on political biases rather than historical fact do some homework.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:42 am

I believe the U.S. extends the same courtesy to foreign heads of state as well.

A few years ago I was kicked out of the Signature Aviation FBO in CRP because Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien was making a fuel stop in his Challenger on the way home from South America. It was quite a serious deal... Secret Service (U.S. Secret Service I think) running all over the place with bomb dogs, no take offs or landings while he was on the plane on the ground, City Police blocking off the main "Airport Blvd", the whole nine yards.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:50 am

This same thing happened to me at LHR with the Russian president in June so let's not turn this into an American thing. My BA flight to the states was delayed 1 hour+ on the ground due to Putin's visit to the UK. The problem here is that LHR should not be used for visiting foreign dignitaries, or they should fly commercial as I saw the Australian PM do on an episode of Airport last week, what a security risk!

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:53 am

I say good for the Aussie PM!!! Leave it to the tough Aussies to show that a politician can still mix with the people...
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:53 am

Oh wah wah wah, go cry about it to someone else. So Air Force One caused delays, shoot, that sucks, oh well. Deal with it.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:20 am

Tough Aussies? We'll see come 9am (GMT)!

Seem to recall that none other than HRH Queen Elizabeth II flew a scheduled Air New Zealand flight from LHR to (presumably) Auckland last time she visited. I think her party took over the upper cabin (744) but somebody else may remember this better than me.

I wish I'd seen Air Force 1 at Middleton St.George today (old RAF base before its current incarnation - anyone know what flew from it in WWII?).

Thanks for coming George, nice to see you - we're not all against you, but remember if we disagree now and again it doesn't make us enemies.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:34 am

Ant72LBA - You are completely right the Queen flew on an Air New Zealand 747 in the upper deck, but with of course different seats and more security, so this didn't cause any delays at LHR that day, or if there was a delay it wasn't huge! I agree that high priority people shouldn't come in to LHR but into a military base somewhere so it doesn't cause delays at the 3rd busiest airport in the world! But if they do, they should fly commercially, if the Queen can do it, so can other people.

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:37 am

Ok, the next time London is under attack (appeasement will bring on more attacks), we Americans will just stay home and let Europeans deal with it themselves. I'd love to have those protestors in London speak to the average Iraqi who is now enjoying the same free speech rights enjoyed by the protestors. My brother just returned from Iraq. They love their new freedoms. They love being able to speak out for and against the Coalition....they recognize what a privilege it is. Hell with the Baathists and the Saddam supporters who lost their privileged lifestyles. Let the Londoners who protested GW's visit try to live under the same oppression "enjoyed" by the Iraqis over the past 25 years.

Without war, we'd still have slavery in America. Without war, Hitler would be ruling the UK, without war, we'd have the Brits running America. War, unfortunately, is a necessary evil.

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:47 am

Bicoastal - dont take it so seriously; a couple were featured on my local news programme who were taking their five year old daughter on the march. They said they wanted her to express her views against Bush.............errrrrr.......more like the views that they had brainwashed into her!!!!!! If that is indicative of the opposition to the war then I fear for democracy! Reasoned arguments, yes, brainwashing no! Similarly with the school kids who were there; those were my taxes paying for the teacher who was supposed to be teaching you so yes I do have the right to say "get back to school"! Maybe I'm just a little p****d at the extent of coverage the protesters got, no-one I know seemed inclined to protest, most accept that (even if the Iraq war wasn't right) we are in a fight against the terrorists who have an agenda whatever we do or say.

OK - rant over back to planes!
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:50 am

More proof that George W. doesn't give a rat's about the average person, and especially the traveling public.

Oh, for Christ sake, enough of this crying over the President leaving the country!!! Any time the President leaves, airspace is restricted, as is movement on the ground. Unlike the lavish security the Bush people pushed for before the visit, these are NORMAL precautions taken when the President arrives/leaves. And again-GEORGE BUSH ISN'T FLYING THE AIRCRAFT, OR DIRECTING THE TRAFFIC, IS HE??

God, but some people are so freakin' naive!!  Laugh out loud

Justified criticism is one thing, but this crying over LHR having delays is absurd, and those who are doing this crying need to grow up a bit. What a joke.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 am

I remember when Air Force One with President Clinton visited BOI a few years back. After it landed ,as it was taxiing to the Idaho ANG side,it had to WAIT for one of our 737s in from SEA! I thought this was really odd, since I believed that space was closed for a certain time allotment.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:09 am

SprxflySWA, the only thing I can think of, is that that 737 was perhaps low on fuel, although from SEA to BOI that seems unlikely. You are correct, airspace is closed for a designaged time, and traffic on the ground is also halted, when Air Force One arrives/departs.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:27 am

Why are you complaining that the President caused a delay? Those two planes require a ton of preparation and have to deal with incredible amounts of security. He IS the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the entire world. His presence represents the entire presence of the United States. If Blair were to come to LAX, I wouldn't be mad because of a slight delay. Hell, when Bush came to LAX this summer, everyone was thrilled to see him. And by the way, this has nothing to do with LHR or Britain. Whatever country the President (not just Bush) leaves, including the United States, airspace is always restricted to him. So quit whining.

If there was a plane on fire on the runway, would you still be whining about the delay?

The President visiting Britain isn't an everyday occurance, so I don't think that everyone should get all bent out of shape because of an hour delay.

And by the way, Leezyjet, have a little respect for the President. His name is "Bush," not "cowboy."
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:36 am

The bottom line is that 'Royal FBO' gig..I saw that set up on Discovery and that's all about 'getting the red carpet' treament into London. But in this case, given the security concerns...as we have all witnessed..seriously, it would make more sense to skip the 'red carpet' welcome at LHR and go to Mildenhall or Brize Norton. Either that..or security was never a super serious threat.

as for this comment 'Without war, Hitler would be ruling the UK'

That's outta context...Hitler started that one! He wouldn't be ruling anything if he didn't start a war. And had he suceeded and got hold of the UK...what makes you think he woulda' stopped there? The US was next on the list! So helping the brits was totally about stopping the flood ... before it watered our own living room'

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:38 am

Hmmm. I can see that this is really a political debate rather than anything. Well, when GWB came down under a few weeks ago, the whole of Canberra was shut down, incluing airspace, the ring around parliament house, etc. But because it's such a sleepy city anyway, people didn't really complain much! I don't really have a prob with the delays at LHR but I think you Americans have to realise (and NOT JUST ASSUME that your president is the ants pants) is that George Dubbya is not a very well liked or respected dude at all. Even amongst your allies like Oz and the UK.
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:40 am

Considering he is the most powerful man in the world, I would sure hope he gets extra-security. Seems people look for anything to bit*h and complain about when they don't like another person and/or government. When Bush came to PHX last year he took-off with causiong very minimal delays; aybe 5-10 minutes AT MOST, so I would have to say LHR operations had something to do with all these delays. Also i'm sure Bush PERSONALLY decided to take-off and land at LHR, leave at the time he did, etc. etc. whah, whah
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:52 am

There are always delays even in the states when the POTUS visits any city. In Chicago, he visits ORD, and has caused delays and even diversions for his visit. LAX, JFK, MIA, all the same. He'll visit an AFB if it is closeby, but the POTUS schedule comes first.

BTW, he is not an unpopular president, at 54% he's well ahead of Clinton's approval ratings in his third year. Overseas, it is different, sure. Personally, I think he is so despised in Europe for his down-home, folksy Texas drawl and cowboy mentality. Probably drives Europeans nuts just like the pinhead academic elitists drive Americans nuts. Ah well, C'est la Vie.

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:25 pm

Ant72LBA, FYI Middleton St.George had Whitleys and Halifaxes fly out of it.
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:32 pm

Personally, I do not see any reason why AF1 or any other leader's A/C should be so important as to screw everyone else up. They say security? what a joke.. Seriously people, they should either :

A. Just act like a NORMAL airplane and follow a pattern in without everything being cleared,

or

B. come in at ungodly late hours, as to not disturb much..


SImple..

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:46 pm

I can't believe I'm even wasting my breath on this, but I'm gonna anyway. Of course there were delays, and no, this had nothing to do with G's own decisions or desires. I'm not sure if any of you have had the pleasure of flying to/from an airport hosting a G8 summit, but I did back in '99 when the summit was in Köln; not one, but eight countrys' presidential aircraft, plus all the support vehicles. There were hours of delays, and the US President was Clinton, not Bush. Airforce bases are the location of choice for any such movements, but sometimes civiports must be substituted instead. Though the threat to Airforce One may seem relatively insignificant to all of us, it is surely a security nightmare for those in charge of it. It is precisely because of "W" bashing that such security is needed. If you rational folks are angry enough at him to think that he personally ordered the delays at LHR, then just imagine what some of the irrational ones might be thinking! Just remember that the guy "on top," whether we like him or not (especially if we don't) has to work a whole lot harder to stay on top. This was no more of a hassle for the airlines than a snow storm or a blown tire on the runway.
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:50 pm

I think that post 9/11....there is no such thing as over the top in terms of security for heads of state. I hate what these people (terrorists) have done to air travel.
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:32 pm

First off, why would UK officials, given the current security considerations, choose LHR for this visit in the first place?! UK authorities wanted to make perfectly clear that THEY and not the US Secret Service or Air Force had any say as to what went into any of the arrangements...yet, our left wing fringe nuts would, of course, like to blame George W Bush. Is the same amount of anger directed towards the left wing socialist legions from the likes of France and Germany, crowding London for their bullsh*t protests and the inconveniences caused by their presence? I think the snap poll sponsored by The Guardian, in an effort to embarass President Bush and PM Blair, is very revealing, given that it indicated 62% and growing support coalition efforts in the UK...and was promptly removed from the Guardian's website. Bill Clinton himself, as well as several of his top ranking foreign policy advisors, have said that the operation in Iraq was not a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN. Yet, if Bill Clinton's plane caused these same delays, I would venture that we would not hear any of the pissing and moaning that we are hearing now.

I have this to say to the pissers and moaners in London, Paris and elsewhere...you can make fun, defame, whatever you want to do to try to tear down "the cowboy". However, no matter your rants and raves, when al Qaeda targets your neck of the woods, that ignorant cowboy will be right there to back you up, and that's more than we can say about your spineless "leaders" in Europe...I would say Tony Blair is the only European leader with a backbone, and we for one appreciate it.




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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:38 pm

Thank You CWApilot.........WELL PUT!!!!
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:38 pm

OOPS....I forgot...we can't say that Tony Blair is the only one with a spine in Euopre...however, with the impression that, unless you go along with France and Germany, you are not really European, it is easy to get confused. I have to remember the Dutch, the Italians, the Poles and some others...remember, most European nations did and still do support coalition efforts in Iraq...also have spines, which, of course, we respect and appreciate.

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:39 pm

The President and any other leader of ANY nation should have the right of way at the airport. The reason being that the person on board is the leader of a COUNTRY. Not the leader of a huge company, not a tourist, and not anything else. They are the leader of a country. Without a doubt, the aircraft with a world leader on it has way more business to take care of than anyone else on any airliner. Their lack of security threatens an entire NATION. If a President were to be harmed while in office, the country would be momentarily paralyzed, like with Kennedy. So yeah, they have the right of way.

Why should one aircraft be more important than others? Isn't this the same principle between First Class and Coach?! What makes THEM so special? We all arrive at the same time in the end. We're all going to the same location.

In the end, just let the freakin' President take off so life can go on as normal. You may leave your airport a few minutes late, but there's no doubt that the pilot will gun it a little harder to get to the destination on time.
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:42 pm

As a Washington resident, I can sympathize with the Brits who have objected to having Heathrow turned into Bedlam. The US Secret Service has run amok and nobody seems able to say no to them no matter how outrageous their security measures get; this has nothing to do with politics - they were just as goofy under Clinton.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:46 pm

CwaPilot.........!!!!! WooooooooHoooooooo! I agree.

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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:11 pm

Whats all the crying about and blaming Bush for the delays at LHR?

Did Bush specifically say he wants AF1 to land at LHR during peak hours? I highly doubt it. I don't know why they flew into LHR either instead of an airforce base nearby, but blame the British ATC for that.


It happens all the time. I got stuck in a huge traffic jam in Detroit for some 3rd world country president's motorcade when he visited the Detroit area, that was delays too. Other countries do it, not just Americans. All this cowboy shit from British people on here is getting rediculous. Yeah I am not a Bush fan, but I find it to be more blatant AntiAmericanism than anything else.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:21 pm

Cwapilot:

Tony Blair is the only one with a spine in Euopre

Ohh... so for you, having a spine is beeing like a Panurge's sheep??? Wherever the powerfull USA is going, we shall go too?

OOPS....I forgot...we can't say that Tony Blair is the only one with a spine in Euopre...however, with the impression that, unless you go along with France and Germany, you are not really European, it is easy to get confused. I have to remember the Dutch, the Italians, the Poles and some others...

yeah you seem confused here. The others are Spain (José Maria Aznar), Portugal (José Manuel Durão Barroso), Danemark (Anders Fogh Rasmussen), Hongry (Peter Medgyessy), Tcheque Republic (Vaclav Havel).

To go to these country, you need to go beyond domestic flight.

most European nations did and still do support coalition efforts in Iraq...

You mean the NEW Europe?  Wink/being sarcastic
Germany is the country who has the most numbers of soldiers deployed around the world along with the USA. They are still fighting along with France in Afghanistan.

PHXMKEflyer: thank You CWApilot.........WELL PUT!!!!
JeffM: CwaPilot.........!!!!! WooooooooHoooooooo! I agree.

Wow... YOU guys got a .......spine!

Chris


 
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:23 pm

Chris....amusing, as usual.

Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:39 pm

Why couldn't they just go off together not 20 minutes apart. And why should he get priority? We're all human beings and i think it's better to get 8000+ "normal" humans off than one man (and however many he brought - 750?).

I'm sure many people missed connections, business meetings etc all for one man

-Stephen
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:08 pm

That gives those europeans yet another reason to hate us.
 
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Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:25 am

Bush has caused nothing but hate and death around the world, a few angry people at Heathrow will not bother him in the least.
Bush, your a sad, sad man.
 
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Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:57 am

It's not Bush who causes all the fuss, it's the control freaks who surround him that put people in awkward situations. Big fucking deal he's the most powerful man in the world, the smooth operation of Heathrow is more important than a foreign leaders inconvenience.
How many of you people would be be happy to see your flight delayed because of one person, none of you.
Selfishness runs high on these forums.
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:14 am

"And by the way, Leezyjet, have a little respect for the President. His name is "Bush," not "cowboy.""

Respect has to be earned my dear chap. He has done nothing to earn my respect.

This seems to have turned into a US vs Europe thing which was not the intention.

The point I was trying to make was why fly him into LHR when he could have still had the red carpet treatment at either Mildenhall or Brize Norton, and would have had a lot of the extra security measures in place already. Surely it is easier to police fields at either ends of the runway under the flightpath than it is to police hundreds of streets in West London.

The only difference for GW would have been a slightly longer helicopter flight rather than inconveniencing thousands of ordinary people and costing airlines money.

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Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:34 am

I agree with the whole "pain in the ass" discussion. Take a look at what we get to deal with when he travels within the USA. Look at the VIP entries. I think 30 miles may be "overdoing" it a bit.

http://tfr.faa.gov/TFR/jsp/list.jsp
 
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Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:05 am

Talking politcs in this forum never ends up doing any good but I'll make a couple of useless points regardless:

1. UN events in NYC tie up traffic and cause headaches for the city's residents on an ongoing basis (and none of these lovely folks ever pays their parking tickets to boot)

2. Security is all about prevention. I understand that some in this forum would like to see Bush fly PIA to London in coach or perhaps in the cargo hold. Be reasonable. Many people would like to kill Bush. Just as many would've liked to kill Clinton. It's less about the man than it is about the office.

3. Bush did not cause terrorism as much as Europeans would like to believe it. 9/11 was planned under Clinton's watch and would've been carried out even had Gore won the election.

4. It's all the fault of the worldwide Zionist movement. Rubbish. Al-Qaeda's original "cause" was the removal of Amercian infidels from bases in Saudi Arabia, where their presence was an affront to Islam. Then the issue was Afghanistan, then it was Iraq, then it was Palestine, now it's Iraq.

5. Despite what Bush says about this war on terror (that we will win it), the war on terror will never end. It is a new reality that well will live with throughout our entire lifetimes. So will our children. Terrorism is caused by haterd and waged by people who are in love with death and destruction of freedom. That is the definition of terrorism. These people will choose whatever "flavor of the day" cause they can to justify acts that are unjustifiable.

6. Europeans and everyone else around the world are free to criticize the US and its foreign policy as do many many Americans. The right to do so is a fundamental aspect of the very freedom that Al-Qeada would like to squash under an iron fist of fear. They will continue their attacks no matter who is in the White House.

7. I respect poeple who like myself disagree with how Bush has handled the war on terror, his approach has made him immensely unpopular and has squandered nearly all the goodwill we garnered folliwng 9-11...BUT...the US is not to blame for terrorism, terrorists and the organizations and countries that sponsor them are to blame. At best, every single one us may share in the blame for the perceived and real ills faced by the poeple Al-Qaeda is purportedly defending. That means Europe as well. Don't ever forget, it was Europe that colonized the Middle East, then drew the maps that created its modern day borders and finally, it was Europe that commited the most despicable cirme against humanity ever recorded in the annals of human history that led to the creation of Israel.

8. The next time you blame Bush and the US for all of this tragedy, look in the mirror, read a history book and think about reality. The US is not always right and neither is your country or leader. But to cower in the face of terrorism and take the most convenient excuse by pointing the finger at us is sheer folly and total appeasment of people that want to destroy your way of life as well. Imagine living in a world where you cannot speak your mind, where you are forbidden from practicing the faith of your choice, where your wife has absolutely no rights, where there is no protection from persecution, where your daughter cannot attend school. That is the world Al-Qaeda wants for you and your family and your country.

9. "You're either with us or against us" was not a very intelligent way of sending a message that is otherwise, in the end, true. The bottom line is that all of us have a choice to make. Europeans, Asians, Muslims and even Canadians! have to decide whether to stand up against the destruction of everything we've built and fought for together or take the road Osama is building for us. Take your pick.
 
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RE: Air Force 1 Causes Major Delays At LHR

Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:20 am

boo freakin' hoo. What about Clinton's haircut on the runway at LAX...honestly....

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